Re: Idea of a Debian Mascot [Was: FW: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections]
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Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Wednesday 27 February 2008, Rich Healey wrote:
> ...
>> Many of my windows using mates are at least familiar with Tux, even
>> though many have only ever used linux at my place (and then only
>> using firefox to check email, hardly the grandest most eye opening
>> event).
>
> Debian is not aimed at the same audiences as those distros. If it were,
> then there'd be no need for those other distros.
>
>> Debian could use an image revamp, last night i was messing with a
>> debian install disk trying to get driver information for a NIC in my
>> solaris machine, and honestly even with the (non-default) GUI, it's
>> hardly impressive.
>
> There is a revamped image with a new logo and an easy to use GUI
> installer one can use if Debian is an issue. It's a fairly large
> project. Here's a link to it:
>
> http://ubuntu.com.
>
> (I notice, when checking that home page that it seems like it's been
> taken over by Dell.)
>
>> Projects like mandriva have much prettier, and more intuitive
>> installers. Debian is incredibly fast and efficient, and fantastic
>> for experienced unix admins, but not their exclusive domain, more
>> publicity can never be a bad thing.
>
> I use the Net Install. Last time I checked, I can do a complete
> install, without X, in about 20-25 minutes on a server and don't have
> to mess with any extras.
>
> I LOVE user friendliness. It's a MUST for me with my workstation. When
> I'm writing screenplays, I need to be able to have my computer do what
> I want without thinking about how to use the tools so I can think about
> my writing.
>
> However, Debian is not designed for that market. It's designed for
> servers and people that want stable systems. I figure by the time a
> Debian Stable version is issued, the software in it has been tested for
> longer and by more people than just about anything out there. As
> cliche as it sounds, I know I actually get more and better sleep at
> night because my servers are running Debian. I know I don't have to
> check over them and babysit them. There is no other distro I'd trust
> as much for long term stability as I do Debian.
>
> If you want a friendly GUI and a nifty and easy install, go for another
> distro. There's a reason there's so many distros out there and it's
> too much to ask for one distro to try to hit more than one or two
> focused markets.
>
> And if we have to have a mascot, maybe we can just go with I-Chaya.
>
> Hal
>
>
My honest opinion is that you're clinging to *n*x as something that's
hard, this elitist view is something that's taking time to change (and
i'll admit, i kinda like the idea that using linux is not something
anyone can do... good thing i've still got my BSD boxen to be
pretentious with ;) ).
Debian IS NOT something that an utter newbie to linux can't use, nor
should it be.
I don't think that just because our distro is not specifically aimed at
those who are new doesn't mean it can't have a few creature comforts. I
think i can manage typing menuinstall, or netinstall at the bootCD's
grub menu.
Debian is a great distro, and i'm an advocate of making it possible for
the most number of people possible to use it.
Regards,
Rich Healey
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