Re: [OT] Good, evil and religion [WAS] Re: A way to compile 3rd party modules into deb system?

[steef <steefvanduin@zonnet.nl>]

Joe Hart wrote:
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> > > > > I really just wish that Christians would adhere to the lessons that they
> > > > > so firmly believe in.  But alas, we have a whole lot of people that seem
> > > > > to do well on Sunday and forget about the rest of the week.
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> > > > > Is it a turn the other cheek world we live in or is the eye for an eye
> > > > > world?
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> > > > > nice talking, joe. i have a question: what do you think of the thesis:
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> > > > > 'where belief begins reason ends' ??
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> > I assume you're referring to the above.
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> > As for the thesis, it is intriguing, but I would think that a devout
> > person would pick it to pieces.
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> > > well that is a suggestive answer. but not an answer with too much
> > > content?!?
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> Well, it's an empty thesis.  ;)
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> Actaully, I think it would be better stated "where reason ends belief
> begins", but that is not very accurate.  A better way to phase it would
> be "Where reason ends, faith begins."
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so the question is now: where ends reason. is there an end to reason?
> The problem might stem from the fact that geloof means both believe and
> faith in Dutch, but in English there is a distinctions between the two.
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being a dutchman too i do agree to that as a matter of 'of course'. so: 
is there an end to reason, or looked at from a different angle: a 
beginning to a belief/faith? historically many times reasoning as a 
'product' of reason ended beliefs embedded in faith (with due respect to 
'believers' like roberto and celejar)

> Faith is by definition believing in something that cannot be proven, and
> that is what religion usually is.  It is not wrong to believe in a
> faith, and Roberto and Celejar do a good job of defending their religion.
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mmmmm. typically dutch: this knotting of these 'two ropes'. of course it 
is not up to me to decide what is right or wrong to believe in, i.c. a 
faith, for somebody else. i distance myself from these value-judgements.

I fall more into Greg's camp.

yes joe, so do i.

ps: read an old book: the wu-li dancing masters or/and the ancient work 
of paul feyerabend.


cheers,

steef
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