On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 03:24:56PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > >On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 02:07:39PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > >>The one thing I really don't understand, though, is why people use > >>Ubuntu. > >> > > > >bleh. responsing anyway... > > > >I return to the example of my mom. Many people don't want to "update" > >their system. They want it to just work and stay that way. Many users, > >especially novices, don't deal well with change and don't want > >it. Ubuntu, if you don't upgrade, is perfect in this respect. At the > >time it is released, it just works. If you leave it there, if will, of > >course, just work forever. > >[...] > But it's the same way with Debian Stable/Testing. If you want a system > that just /works/, you can run Stable. If Stable is too outdated/doesn't > support your hardware, give Testing a run. If you really need a few > programs (For me running Testing, I'll use checkinstall as an example) > and don't mind a few bugs you can always install from source (Since > everything in the repositories is GPL/BSD anyway). okay, clarification. and this is no defense of ubuntu. I am indifferent. Ubuntu has a default environment that just works and is fully implemented. Debian does too, but its not so obvious as you have to select it at the last stage of installation. So, yes running debian stable (or frankly just not upgrading any install of debian at some point where you're satisfied with it) is effectively the same thing. But getting there is not as direct as with ubuntu. ubuntu caters to the windows user who wants to plug in the disk and have a full blown working desktop without any real intervening stuff. (I know this is not reality...). In debian you can do that, but you have to know to pick that selection at the end. If you don't you end up here with the "I think I did something wrong because all I get is 'login:'" emails. Alright, I'm losing track of my thoughts now. bleh. let it go. We all agree, it needs to be easier for newbs without giving up the soul of debian ;) A
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