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Re: XML editor wanted!

On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 08:52 +0100, Johannes Graumann wrote:
> Greg Folkert wrote:
> >> These are to Oxygen what nano is to emacs ... childsplay.
> > 
> > If you want Whizzbang, Wizard style, auto-magic crap, then why use a
> > powerful OS?
> > 
> > I say its:
> > 
> > "Go back to Windows and Visual * something studio Pro-Live-Vista Crap"
> > 
> > And leave our "unpretty" but exceptionally powerful because you can
> > actually SEE what is going on OS.
> > 
> > If you want help, then stop being a SNOB or Asshat, to the people you
> > asked.
> Point taken,

Good, now we understand each other.

> but seriously: I've been writing XML using kate for a long
> while now and let me tell you: using this whizzbang wizard style visual
> crap instead, my productivity just goes through the roof in comparison.

I'm not quite sure why you are talking about kate, vs Oxygen

>  I'm
> quite religious about open source (forced my new work place into giving me
> a self-administered box, which instead of XP runs sid and the evil stuff
> only through a virtual machine) and using ion3 as my window manager, you
> will have a hard time calling me an eye candy addact or "doesn't want any
> contact with the inner workings", but pragmatism will probably dictate to
> leave the pure teachings for this particular task ... 
> You call me a snob, but your disdain of an editor supporting its user while
> dealing with highly structured stuff is nothing else either - no?

Now, you never told me what the nirvana of oXygen was. Never indicated
what the features were. Nothing. You just asked "Is there no XML editor
like oXygen?" I bothered not to check WTF oXygen was, as you asked a
generic looking question.

But I guess, it was a naive question asking "Are the no oXygen
equivalents?" for Open Source? Specifically Debian?

Well, to be honest, oXygen does:
        XML Editing
        XML Schema Editing
        XSL / XSLT Editing
        XSL / XSLT Refactoring
        XSL / XSLT Debuging
        SVN Client
        Other stuff

Now, lets ask ourselves a question here. Are there really any open
products out there that scratch that big itch?

Well to get to the heart of functionality and get a good Google query,
lets look at "xml debugger linux":

You'll notice NOTHING there is free or Free. The only real products that
look like they actually work and look good enough to use on a daily
basis are:

There is one called EditiX, but that is for Windows only. I see very
little, if any XML Debuggers.

Now, if we look at "xml schema linux", we get some more results:

But now we find:

The latter hasn't been updated in 5 years. The previous looks like it
has been updated.

So there you are, a 10 minutes search by me using Google has given you
some avenues to go through. But pretty much since you compared them to
nano in the first place, they are all crap.

Is that a better answer for you? It comes up with the same answers. But
apparently nobody other than "commercial/proprietary" developers,
charging hundreds of dollars have scratched that itch.

BTW, Open Source is not *ALL* about free (as in free beer) stuff. But it
really is more about Free (as in Free Speech). Sure, I like Free and
free stuff just as much as the next person. But if something so very
much improves your productivity, is it not worth the $225 (or $675
depending) it costs? Does it not *SAVE* your company that amount over
the useful period?

Just because something isn't available for free, doesn't mean its *BAD*.
But I'll agree many things that are not free are also not Free. Which
means you are at the beck and call of the entity that makes it.

BTW, most of the tutorial examples I saw, when looking for things, had
comment tags of Altova's and SyncRO Soft's tags in them. So I guess,
many use them.

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Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive
product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at
the playfield. -- Thane Walkup

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