Re: Installation of Debian by disk
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 06:47:43AM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 11:28:03PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 11:14:21PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > > Hi Roberto,
> > > I have seen various 3rd party bits of documentation about "You just
> > > installed Debian. Here's what to do next and answers to questions like
> > > 'where's my X?". And it seems people still miss this info on the Debian
> > > site. Asking what they read prior to asking such questions would be one
> > > way to figure out how Debian is not getting this info to new users. Thus
> > > far, Debian and the WWW group are very hesitant to change any aspect of
> > > the 'front page' until a very good reason is provided, which is expected
> > > for any Debian effort. But it seems if this person and others went to
> > > the 'front page' and just could not (for what ever reason) find this
> > > info, then there should be something added to the 'front page' to have
> > > somekind of big 'over here' sign for Debian new users to find these
> > > common questions addressed. Hopefully one day I can get something
> > > written up. But in the meanwhile, I think asking what the read prior to
> > > comming here is one way to collect data to address this issue.
> >
> > Hmm. You did not mention which version, so I will assum you installed
> > Etch. Now, if you got the etch installer, I will guess that you got it
> > from here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
> >
> > Below the download links are links to the Installation Guide, the FAQ
> > and the Debian-Installer Wiki. If you visit the installation guide, you
> > will see this section:
> >
> > http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-install-software
> >
> > Specifically, the relevant section, Installing Additional Software,
> > reads in part:
> >
> > So, you have the ability to choose tasks first, and then add on more
> > individual packages later. These tasks loosely represent a number of
> > different jobs or things you want to do with your computer, such as
> > Desktop environment, Web server, or Print server[14]. Section D.2,
> > Disk Space Needed for Tasks lists the space requirements for the
> > available tasks.
> >
> > Now, I understand that for a newbie, it can be daunting to be left at a
> > command line prompt. However, it is right there in the documentation.
> > So, perhaps you missed it?
> >
> > I am not trying to flame you. I am simply pointing out that the
> > information is there and that it appears that you overlooked it.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Roberto
> >
> > --
> > Roberto C. Sanchez
> > http://people.connexer.com/~roberto
> > http://www.connexer.com
>
> Debian suffers from lack of exposure in the popular press. Most major
> newspapers carry a frequent column of answers to questions about PCs,
> which means exclusively Windows in the popular press. There is
> a lot of overlap in the word set used in these articles and the word
> set used on the Debian web site. But they are talking about different
> computer systems. Many newbies have no idea how clueless they really
> are. Certainly, I had no idea when I started.
>
> I have some experience about learning new stuff, and teaching stuff
> that is new to learners. I was for a while a professor of physics. It
> is important for learners to understand that there is no one right way
> to teach anything, and for learners who aren't getting it with one
> way, it is OK to look for another way. There is a lot of evidence that
> no one learns anything the first time they are taught. If it appears
> that someone actually learns the first time, that's because they had
> prior exposure to the topic and are primed to get it this time.
>
> If the learner keeps at it, maybe he will eventually find a teaching
> that works for him. But that teaching might not have worked for him
> if it had been his first contact with the subject. It might be that
> just the repeated rephrasings of the same ideas finally breaks through
> a mental block.
>
> --
> Paul E Condon
> pecondon@mesanetworks.net
>
I know this is way OT, but with regards to your comment, some 40 yrs ago when
I was in high school, I needed to take Algebra. I was lost. I got 3 F's and
dropped out. The next year, with a different instructor who drew diagrams on
the chalkboard, I got straight A's. The teacher would take attendance, give
work assignments and leave the class. He let me be in charge.
The presentation can make a difference :)
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