Just a quick check: do other Debian users see GTK applications starting with the bottom half or more off the bottom of the screen? If it's pervasive and not just an artifact of my Etch/icewm setup, I'll file a wishlist bug and hope it filters up to the primary developers. -- Carl Fink nitpicking@nitpicking.com Read my blog at nitpickingblog.blogspot.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct!