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Easiest & Safest way to downgrade udev 0.89-1(etch) to 0.56-3(sarge) (including all that depends on it) WAS Re: etch udev not working with bttv capture card nor via82xx sound?



Hello all, again.

Sorry that I keep posting to my own messages.

I could deal with no Sound for a month, but I really need them damn video
capture to work. I guess I could try to manually add the device with mknod
and then not reboot, but that is indeed a hack.

forcing the downgrade of udev will force the downgrade of hal which will
will force the downgrade of gnome-volume-manager which will force the
downgrade of gnome-desktop-environment. This is all ok if it works
properly. (My problems with gnome before were stickies always opening in
the wrong position & size, and more anoying nautalis crashing periodically
leaving me with no main menu, no desktop etc..)

What is the most painless way (using apt I hope) to downgrade my
gnome-desktop-environment and all it depends on back to sarge versions?
(most importantly udev itself)

(manually dpkg --force-downgrade for each dependancy sounds very painful)

Thanks all.

.b.




On Wed, May 3, 2006 9:38 am, B. Bogart said:
> Hi again,
>
> So after a little more digging I see that my third video capture device
(bttv) is also not working, in fact according to the kernel and dmesg it
is registered to /dev/video2, but there is no such device file.
>
> So I bet udev is not working right, not creating the correct devices for
sound, nor for this video card.
>
> So I guess gnome-desktop-environment depends on a new version of udev.
>
> How can I get back my old sarge udev without breaking the other
packages?
>
> Or fix etch udev so that it works (at least for my video capture and
sound).
>
> Help!
>
> Thanks,
> B.
>
>> Hey all,
>> I'm running debian sarge (i386) with a couple unstable/testing packages
on an AMD64. I had sound working fine on my via82xx with the same
kernel
>> (2.6.13-ck5) under oss before upgrading gnome.
>> All I did today was change my gnome-desktop-environment to testing
(etch) as it was buggy with my old sarge/unstable mix of packages. I
upgraded using:
>> apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment
>> I had to manually reinstall libgconf2-4 (from etch) using dpkg to get
apt to install gnome without package errors.
>> Now those old bugs are gone from gnome, but now sound is no longer
working (from any application, through OSS or ALSA)
>> I've only changed the packages gnome directly depends on, I'm using the
very same kernel (compiled with both oss, and alsa as modules). I
installed alsa to give that a try (via apt-get install alsa-base
alsa-utils), which seems to have disabled the oss stuff (I don't see
any
>> oss modules in lsmod output) and I do see the appropriate alsa modules.
alsaconf finds the card and tried to configure it, all seems well
until:
>> bbogart@insitu:~$ sudo /usr/sbin/alsaconf
>> Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-seq-dummy snd-seq-oss
>> snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-via82xx snd-ac97-codec
snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm snd-timer snd-page-alloc
>> snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device.
>> Building card database...
>> 	alsa finds the correct card...
>> Configuring snd-via82xx
>> Do you want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound
>> (and /etc/modprobe.conf if present)?
>> 	Yes.
>> OK, sound driver is configured.
>> 	Ok.
>> Running update-modules...
>> Loading driver...
>> Setting default volumes...
>> Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state.
/usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found...
>> ===============================================================================
>>  Now ALSA is ready to use.
>>  For adjustment of volumes, use your favorite mixer.
>>  Have a lot of fun!
>> So It autodetected the right soundcard, adds stuff to the modules.conf
and then can't access the device any longer.
>> Stopping alsa gives me:
>> bbogart@insitu:~$ /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop
>> Shutting down ALSA...warning: 'alsactl store' failed with error message
'alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found...'...Invalid card
number.
>> Usage: amixer <options> command
>> Available options:
>>   -h,--help       this help
>>   -c,--card N     select the card
>>   -D,--device N   select the device, default 'default'
>>   -d,--debug      debug mode
>>   -n,--nocheck    do not perform range checking
>>   -v,--version    print version of this program
>>   -q,--quiet      be quiet
>>   -i,--inactive   show also inactive controls
>>   -a,--abstract L select abstraction level (none or basic)
>> Starting alsa gives me:
>> bbogart@insitu:~$ /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start
>> Setting up ALSA...Invalid card number.
>> Usage: amixer <options> command
>> Available options:
>>   -h,--help       this help
>>   -c,--card N     select the card
>>   -D,--device N   select the device, default 'default'
>>   -d,--debug      debug mode
>>   -n,--nocheck    do not perform range checking
>>   -v,--version    print version of this program
>>   -q,--quiet      be quiet
>>   -i,--inactive   show also inactive controls
>>   -a,--abstract L select abstraction level (none or basic)
>> I used the same configuration from the stock debian kernels as a
starting point for my custom ck kernel.
>> What got installed with gnome-desktop that killed my sound?
>> Any suggestions?
>> (Is there a debian-alsa list? I could not find one on the debian site)
Thanks all.
>> Here are my loaded modules:
>> bbogart@insitu:~$ lsmod
>> Module                  Size  Used by
>> snd_seq_dummy           3716  0
>> snd_seq_oss            30464  0
>> snd_seq_midi            8480  0
>> snd_seq_midi_event      6912  2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi
>> snd_seq                47504  6
>> snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
>> snd_via82xx            26560  0
>> gameport               14856  1 snd_via82xx
>> snd_ac97_codec         73340  1 snd_via82xx
>> snd_pcm_oss            46496  0
>> snd_mixer_oss          16768  1 snd_pcm_oss
>> snd_pcm                81288  3 snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer              23172  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
>> snd_page_alloc         10248  2 snd_via82xx,snd_pcm
>> snd_mpu401_uart         7168  1 snd_via82xx
>> snd_rawmidi            23584  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_mpu401_uart
>> snd_seq_device          8332  5
>> snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi
>> snd                    51588  11
>> snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
soundcore               9312  1 snd
>> nvidia               3712388  12
>> ipv6                  229312  10
>> bt878                  10168  0
>> tvaudio                21148  0
>> i2c_viapro              7952  0
>> bttv                  150928  1 bt878
>> firmware_class          9856  1 bttv
>> parport_pc             33092  0
>> parport                33608  1 parport_pc
>> reiserfs              208752  2
>> ext3                  125064  0
>> jbd                    54040  1 ext3
>> joydev                  9152  0
>> mousedev               11168  1
>> tsdev                   7232  0
>> evdev                   8960  1
>> pcspkr                  3800  0
>> tda9887                12944  0
>> tuner                  34600  0
>> cx8800                 30220  0
>> cx88xx                 55712  1 cx8800
>> video_buf              20740  3 bttv,cx8800,cx88xx
>> ir_common               8196  1 cx88xx
>> tveeprom               11664  2 bttv,cx88xx
>> v4l1_compat            13444  1 cx8800
>> v4l2_common             5888  2 bttv,cx8800
>> btcx_risc               4872  3 bttv,cx8800,cx88xx
>> videodev                9344  3 bttv,cx8800,cx88xx
>> shpchp                 86500  0
>> pci_hotplug            27188  1 shpchp
>> amd64_agp              12104  1
>> agpgart                33096  2 nvidia,amd64_agp
>> psmouse                30468  0
>> raid5                  20736  0
>> xor                    14600  1 raid5
>> raid1                  17664  1
>> raid0                   8320  0
>> md_mod                 60752  4 raid5,raid1,raid0
>> eth1394                19080  0
>> sk98lin               149984  0
>> sr_mod                 16292  0
>> sbp2                   22664  0
>> sd_mod                 18192  4
>> ide_cd                 39556  0
>> cdrom                  36384  2 sr_mod,ide_cd
>> ide_disk               16512  0
>> ide_generic             1408  0 [permanent]
>> pdc202xx_new            8192  0 [permanent]
>> aec62xx                 7040  0 [permanent]
>> alim15x3               11020  0 [permanent]
>> amd74xx                13340  0 [permanent]
>> atiixp                  5904  0 [permanent]
>> cmd64x                 10908  0 [permanent]
>> cs5520                  4736  0 [permanent]
>> cs5530                  5376  0 [permanent]
>> cy82c693                4612  0 [permanent]
>> generic                 4612  0 [permanent]
>> hpt34x                  4992  0 [permanent]
>> ns87415                 4296  0 [permanent]
>> opti621                 4356  0 [permanent]
>> pdc202xx_old           10240  0 [permanent]
>> piix                    9988  0 [permanent]
>> rz1000                  2688  0 [permanent]
>> sc1200                  6912  0 [permanent]
>> serverworks             8712  0 [permanent]
>> siimage                11136  0 [permanent]
>> sis5513                14600  0 [permanent]
>> slc90e66                5632  0 [permanent]
>> triflex                 3840  0 [permanent]
>> trm290                  4228  0 [permanent]
>> floppy                 54996  0
>> usb_storage            59456  0
>> via82cxxx              12444  0 [permanent]
>> ide_core              115688  28
>> ide_cd,ide_disk,ide_generic,pdc202xx_new,aec62xx,alim15x3,amd74xx,atiixp,cmd64x,cs5520,cs5530,cy82c693,generic,hpt34x,ns87415,opti621,pdc202xx_old,piix,rz1000,sc1200,serverworks,siimage,sis5513,slc90e66,triflex,trm290,usb_storage,via82cxxx
ohci1394               32564  0
>> ieee1394               95544  3 eth1394,sbp2,ohci1394
>> fbcon                  34432  71
>> tileblit                2432  1 fbcon
>> font                    8448  1 fbcon
>> bitblit                 4992  1 fbcon
>> vga16fb                12360  1
>> vgastate                8576  1 vga16fb
>> usbserial              28776  0
>> usbhid                 31456  0
>> usbkbd                  6784  0
>> ehci_hcd               30600  0
>> uhci_hcd               30736  0
>> usbcore               109692  7
>> usb_storage,usbserial,usbhid,usbkbd,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd
>> thermal                13704  0
>> processor              23484  1 thermal
>> fan                     4740  0
>> sata_via                8580  3
>> sata_promise           10244  0
>> libata                 43780  2 sata_via,sata_promise
>> scsi_mod              134504  6
>> sr_mod,sbp2,sd_mod,usb_storage,sata_promise,libata
>> unix                   26032  468
>






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