Re: lists.debian.org vs google groups
Bruno Buys wrote:
I also do not think moving the lists to google group is such a good
idea. If at all I create this, it would coexist along with d-u. d-u will
still be there and will function just like as it would otherwise. People
who are happy with Google's TOS will subscribe otherwise they can still
continue in d-u.
kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
IMHO debian lists are the sources of a lot of spam these days.
Over the past few years that I have been using Debian, the list
masters were not able to eradicate the spam problem on these lists. I
agree that they have been doing a great job in filtering out spam.
But If I look into my gmail spam folder, most of the spam emails are
addressed to firstname.lastname@example.org (where xxx are the debian lists
that I am subscribed to. I was thinking what I could do to eradicate
this problem and thought that creating google groups is an option.
But the disadvantages with google groups is that
(1) It will split the user base across d-u and yyy (where yyy is the
name of the new google group).
(2) google is a company and I am not very sure if relying on a
service provided by commercial companies would be a good idea in the
(3) It requires a google/gmail account. But IMHO, the effort spent in
creating a gmail/google account is well justified, if you want to
have a spam free mailing list,
The advantages I see are
(1) A web interface to subscribe/unsubscribe and change
mail/digest/no email options. So we will not see those unsubscribe
(2) If we set 'only members can post', it removes the spam problem.
Currently the lists are spammed because anyone can post to the
mailing list without subscription and the spammers are taking
advantage of it.
Is there anything that can be done with lists.debian.org that cannot
be done through google groups?
Please feel free to express your opinions on this issue. If enough
users feel that this is a good idea, I am willing to create and
moderate that group. Also, if you like the idea, suggest some names
for the google group.
The lists are spammed, I agree. But being able to post without
subscription is part of the openness Debian wants to achieve. This was
probably born when spam was no concern. I don't think *moving* the
lists to a group is a good idea, though you can always create a Debian
user group at gmail groups. I'd happily participate. But going
official is another thing.
Isn't filtering spam locally an option?
Regarding filtering spam, that is definitely an option. That is what we
all have been doing all these days. But the idea is to not receive them
in the first place by setting 'only members can post' option.