Re: New install and newbie questions
On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 12:12:12PM -0700, Charles wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrei Popescu" <andreimp@rdslink.ro>
> To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: New install and newbie questions
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>
> >On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:00:32 -0700
> >"Charles" <cchamb2@qwest.net> wrote:
> >
>
> These are present.
>
> >
> >With this you can keep your system up to date if you regularly do 'apt-get
> >update' 'apt-get upgrade'
> >
> >>Should this update very few packages if the download is one week old?
> >
> >What download? The CD's? Do you have r0 or r1 CD's? If you have r1 than
> >the update should be minimal.
>
> Answers the question. Sarge r1 is identified as the most recent stable
> release, and that's what took all weekend to download. I also did my first
> reinstall and watchd it closely. The install process slipstreamed the
> updates through what was at that point a live DSL network connection.
>
There should be very few updates to download. For the future: you can
(often) just use the netinstall CD (about 100M download) and update from
the net thereafter. Stable gets regular-ish updates: each of a few 10's
of megabytes.
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >>I'm also assuming the separation between end user and administrator is
> >>enforced by the separation between GUI and CLI.
> >
> >No. Any user (in the default install) can press Ctrl-Alt-F1(-F6) to login
> >at the console. Or open an xterm, which is almost the same. Root can run X
> >as well. And there are many GUI tools to configure your system, that can
> >be started/used by any user who has the root password. This is true for
> >most if not all distros.
>
I think the point is that you can have a GUI - usually KDE for me -
_AND_ have five or six virtual terminals/consoles on VT1 -6 _AND_ have
multiple users logged in at the same time via SSH ... it's a true
multi-user operating system if you want it to be.
> But the EU is accustomed and expecting a GUI. Without it, s/he needs
> further education or training after getting under the hood.
>
apt-get install x-window-system [kde kdm OR gnome gdm] and you're done.
> >
> >>This will be fun. If I can reproduce/document a successful installation,
> >>a
> >>fair number of GUI's for the end user are available, the installation and
> >>desktop is stable, and I have direct access to a broad library of
> >>software
> >>that can be installed on the fly, then I have a distribution of Linux I
> >>can
> >>work with. Mandrake has been averaging about one stable install each
> >>three
> >>major versions, and that's the closest I come to a desktop with lots of
> >>different GUI's.
> >
> >The 'stable' release is rock solid. It's the recommended release for
> >production systems
>
> Which is what I need at this point - stability.
>
Debian Stable is deliberately kept _very_ stable and very few changes
are countenanced. For some people, this pace of change is too slow -
at your option, you can run testing (current code name Etch) or
unstable (Sid). Sid is potentially no less stable than a released
Stable - but is subject to significant change and churn so is
"unstable" in terms of change. "Testing" is the release candidate
for the next release: change is slightly slower. Both are equally
usable - although your mileage may vary :)
Andy
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