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Re: Gnome 2.10 going in to etch today

On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 14:28 -0500, Jason Clinton wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 September 2005 2:16 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > That's why "we" don't like aptitude.  It too aggressively removes
> > things.
> Would the almighty Debian Gods decide which fraking package manager 'we' are 
> supposed to use? I have seem countless times on this list that apt-get is 
> deprecated, synaptic is no good, and aptitude is the only one that can before 
> 'dist-upgrade' correctly.

Point of clarity: in this case, "we" doesn't mean "everybody", 
it means, "those of us who don't like aptitude".

As for me, I 'upgrade' and manually install the hold-backs.

> > If things like this trip you up, don't use meta-packages.
> A meta-package ensures that changes to the official 
> 'gnome-desktop-environment' specification are automatically added or removed 
> appropriately as time progresses. It also ensures that libraries that need 
> not be needlessly updated because they are marked auto, are not.
> When packages are marked manual, they are upgraded immediately upon 
> availability of a newer version rather than waiting for the next meta-package 
> reference to require it.
> > That won't happen if you use apt-get, and install apps manually.
> You loose the benefits of the above.

Point taken about the g-d-e spec.  Unsure what you mean about 
"libraries that need not be needlessly updated", though.

> > Look at the gnome-desktop-environment and then "# apt-get install"
> > the ones you want, or install everything except that which you
> > don't want.
> apt-get install is supposedly deprecated.

They'll tear apt-get out of my cold, dead hands.

> > Maybe it's because I'm running sid, use apt-get and already have
> > sound-juicer installed, but this command only removes sound-juicer:
> >
> >   # apt-get remove sound-juicer
> According to the dep tree, it's only because you have not installed g-d-e.


> > > Because stable is too old for a desktop. And unstable is too new for a
> > > desktop. Testing is just right (usually).
> >
> > In your opinion.  IMNSHO, unstable is a good desktop.
> Unless unstable happens to be going through an ABI change and you don't want 
> to babysit upgrades.

It's not as bad as you think.  A little 'experimental' bravery
and you can have OO.o2, too.

And I've had GNOME 2.10 for months, now.

The nerim mplayer being dependent on slang1 instead of libslang1
is a pain, though.

Ron Johnson, Jr.
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