On Wed 29 December 2004 02:49, Pascal Bonesh wrote: > On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 21:26 -0500, William Ballard wrote: > > <snip-some-utter-bullshit> > > > Your religious-right-wing crap belongs off-list, this is about debian > and linux. It would if he had written any, but so does your willfully-ignorant-left-wing crap. > > I can understand how people cannot let statements like yours, full of > prejudice and racism, stand not contradicted - tolerance is good, > except towards the intolerant. Ah, so we should be intolerant of you then? You see, once you've decided to exempt from tolerance those whom you consider to be intolerant then you exempt yourself from that very same tolerance that you expect. > > Why can't you just stay on > www.I-am-a-christian-fundamentalist.com/whatever-mailing-list and the > debian/linux people stay here? Reading William's previous post over I did not see anything that could be considered "religious-right-wing" or "Christian Fundamentalist" - after all, no reasonable person would ever expect a Christian *Fundamentalist* to say that Christianity expects one to behave like a pussy. I mean seriously. That by itself should have been enough to dispel the notion.You really need to read things and think a bit before getting out the old fundamentalist tarring brush. > > > My neck hair gets all bristly until when I meet people who deny > > this. It's like -- what's THIS guy trying to hide? > > My neck hair gets bristly when I read statements from a > fundamentalist A with book A who claims to have the better book than > fundamentalist B who uses book B. William is not a fundamentalist (nor I am, lest you decide in your Jacobin, umm, crusade that I am) and as no such claim was ever made (unless you consider his claim of there being nothing in the Koran akin to being a pussy...) this is all irrelevant. > > Every time I see someone damning the curan then it's just another > fundamentalist - just a Taliban of the christian flavor, This says more about you than it does about anyone else. So by that "logic" you must think that people like the assassinated Dutchmen Pim Fortuyn and Van Gogh are Christian Fundamentalists? > all feverish > because in their hearts they know that it was fundamentalists who > where in the planes on 9/11 and now they need to construct a > difference between those and themselves. The most obvious one is that > they and themselves are similar in that they are fundamentalists but > one uses book A and the other one uses book B...! Again, William is not a fundamentalist by any reasonable definition so all you've done here is set a up a straw man, which, carrying on with the theme, you've gone and burned at the stake. I have seen some bizarre things in this thread, such as claims that GWB is "amoral" (Clinton might have been amoral, but GWB isn't - you might be able to argue he's immoral but certainly not amoral) and that Islam has nothing in its history like the Crusades (also untrue - there's Spain, or as Osama ranted, Andalusia, France if it weren't for Poitiers, Lepanto, Constantinople, and of course Vienna, not to mention the smaller but more far-reaching campaigns into Persia, India and Indonesia). All of that pales in comparison though with the unprecedented personal attack of this previous post, which thus far no one else has seen fit to denounce. And here is an open statement to those of you of a leftist leaning: there exists a school of thought that subscribes to the belief in the freedom of the individual and that that freedom should not be unreasonably impinged upon. Historically, those who subscribe to this would have been classical liberals of the Adam Smith and John Locke variety. Present day "liberals" have forgotten their origins so those of us who continue to subscribe to this belief are now mainly found on the political right and are sometimes referred to as "economic conservatives" or as "libertarians". We are not to be confused with the religious big state variety of "conservatives", of whom GWB is one. Anyway, it is for that love of freedom that we use Linux and Debian in particular. Some of you may be using it because of a belief in the similarity of open source development and idealized marxist production, and that's fine, but we're here for the freedom and if you can respect that then we'll get along. -- David P James Ottawa, Ontario http://david.jamesnet.ca ICQ: #42891899, Jabber: davidpjames@jabber.org Noone isn't no one
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