Re: RFC: Create d-user-woody, d-user-sarge maillists, deactivate d-user
On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:28:52 -0800,
"Hereon" <hereon1@fastmail.us> wrote in message
<[🔎] 20031201102852.41AA442A53@server1.messagingengine.com>:
> Request For Comment on:
> Enhancing the Debian mailing lists by:
> Creating debian-user-woody and debian-user-sarge mailing lists,
> and deactivating debian-user.
>
> Summary:
>
> 1) The Debian user community is substantially suboptimally served
> with the existence of the current debian-user list.
>
> 2) The debian-user list is _unnecessarily_ overtrafficked,
> [due to it being the most likely place to ask user questions, and
> find answers, regarding both Stable(Woody), and
> Testing/Unstable(Sarge/Sid)]
> which causes several problems for the Debian community:
> a) Wasted mental effort discerning which version a message
> pertains to,
> b) Wasted mental effort searching for information on either
> Woody or Sarge/Sid in the (currently) combined list.
>
> 3) The Debian community would be much better served
> a) by the creation now of two new mailing lists, called:
> 1) debian-user-woody, or possibly debian-user-stable,
..I like to see _both_ debian-user-stable, debian-user-woody, and,
debian-user-sarge on the release of sarge onwards, and, leave
debian-user-sarge and debian-user-woody etc alone for the
duration of sarge's and woody's service lives, to track each release.
> or possibly debian-user-3
> 2) debian-user-sarge, or possibly debian-user-sid,
> or possibly debian-user-sargesid,
> or debian-user-testing, or possibly debian-user-unstable,
> or possibly debian-user-testingunstable,
> or possibly debian-user-4,
> b) and, perhaps, by deactivating debian-user.
..how about "debian-alpha-user-testing" and "debian-beta-user-testing"?
..appending "-sargesid" etc may help people track the development
history of each release. Quite handy in these upcoming post-SCO
times.
> 4) This message is requesting:
> 1) Comment regarding specific suggestions of how the situation
> could be inproved through the creation of 1 or more additional
> lists to augment or replace debian-user,
> 2) "Seconds" (to the motion) for the request of these changes.
>
> 5) After a comment period (perhaps one week), I will review &
> analyze the comments. I will then either:
> a) Submit a new RFC email, to solicit further clarifications &
> additions, or
> b) Submit a wishlist bug to request creation of the new lists, as
> per:
> http://debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list
>
> 6) Once a wishlist bug for new list creation has been registered with
> the Debian bug tracking system, it would be very helpful if
> "several other people interested in the new list
> would send a mail to the bug, in order to record their
> interest"
>
>
> =====================================================================
> === Debian stable releases have been approximately 1-2 years apart.
> During this period of time, many Debian users make active use of the
> testing/unstable system.
>
> Currently, user questions about testing/unstable are likely to be
> asked in the debian-user list.
>
> But, that is definitely not the best way that things could be.
>
> By asking T/U questions in the -user forum, this is putting
> communications on two logically separable topics (stable, and
> testing/unstable) into one channel/forum. This causes several
> problems:
>
> 1) The repeated need for QUESTION ASKERS to specify which of the two
> versions their question refers to.
>
> 2) The repeated need for READERS to be constantly alert as to which of
> the two versions each message is referring to.
>
> 3) The difficluty of being unable to easily FIND INFORMATION in the
> list archives relevant to a topic on which you want some
> information/data. Ex: Someone wanting info about a specific topic
> regarding T/U would have to try to de-cohere the combined list to find
> the messages pertaining to their (S, or T/U) system.
>
> These problems could be eliminated, and no new long term problems more
> serious than the current situation would occur, through the creation
> of two new mailing lists, perhaps called
> debian-user-woody and debian-user-sarge,
> and perhaps by deactivating the current debian-user list.
>
> An excellent time to do this would be just before the start of the new
> calender year, January 2004.
..I would do this on the official release of sarge. Anyone know a
_mean_ boot school sarge for the announcement? ;-)
> Your solution oriented comments are greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you. :-)
>
> =====
> If you think this would be a good idea, please reply to the list re
> this email, so that there is a public record of support for this
> enhancement of the Debian mailing lists. This is important for
> documenting desire for this enhancement, so that the Debian mailing
> list maintainer(s) will have evidence that this is useful for the
> Debian community. Thank you. :)
>
> =====================================================================
> === Some relevant web pages:
>
> HOWTO request a mailing list
> http://debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list
>
> Requests for changes to the mailing lists:
> Debian Bug report logs: package lists.debian.org
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=lists.debian.org
>
> A recent mailing list creation request:
> request for new list: debian-desktop
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=218757
> =====================================================================
> ===
>
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