Isn't there a usable X login/starter in Debian. I've tried XDM (doesn't allow shutdown, looks awfull), login.app (can't start my otherwise perfect running X). I won't try GDM (requires too much of gnome), KDM (requires too much of KDM). Does anyone know a simple solution? O. Wyss -- See "http://wxguide.sourceforge.net/"; for ideas how to design your app