Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 12:41:17PM -0600, Tim Kelley wrote:
> On Monday 10 November 2003 10:24 pm, Tom wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:11:04PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> > > > Paying the occasional "sysadmin bill" might well come out to less
> > > > than what these people spend on the software itself now.
> >
> > People cost a ton -- $100g + 30% for benefits. I use round numbers:
> > in my 9 years since college, the "average joe" has gone from
> > expecting roughly $45K, then to $60K, now kids out of school expect
> > $75K.
>
> Really? I don't know where you're from, but computer jobs (of any kind)
> are basically paying absolute shit right now. You'll be damn lucky to
> make $50k these days as an experienced admin, let alone someone green
> out of college. Hell, you'd be lucky to find a steady job at all, most
Computer jobs divide up into "Infastructure" and "Developer". "Admin"
falls into the "Infrastructure" category and it never paid as well. On
Windows they call them "Reboot monkeys". "Unix Admin" used to pay well
but that is going out the window. There are higher species of
"Infrastructure" -- folks who plan networks, vs. folks who merely
operate them. I know that will not be well received as most people
here are Admins but it is true.
I'm a "Developer" -- even though I started with VB and Access and while
I know C well I am not very effective with it -- businesses find what I
do useful enough to the point that all my peer groups makes $100K now.
(I consider myself a good developer but not extrordinary: there are so
many smart people.) Actually the average is closer to $120K now; and
it's rapidly approaching $150K for the high achievers.
Stop adminning if you want the big bucks. I know I sound like an
arrogant asshole (and I am) but I am merely relating the facts: it
doesn't pay as well.
> are contract crap for six moths or less. Don't know about programming
> jobs, but that seems even worse. There are some 75k+ jobs, but they're
> hard to find and positions don't come up often.
>
> > I know it sucks, but you really can make a case for replacing people
> > with dumb software -- people are amazingly expensive to maintain :-)
>
> Microsoft, for all their bad qualities, has at least done one good
> thing: they've proven that this simlpy cannot be done.
>
>
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