Re: [OT, FLAME] Linux Sucks
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 06:02:33PM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> Additionally, I would love to see Debian be at the forefront of the push to
> kill windoze.
You've gotta be having the time of your life, then. Various polls
I've seen seem to indicate that Debian has been the most popular
server distro for quite some time, and overtook Mandrake a couple
months back as most popular desktop distro. All this despite lack of
hardware detection and idiot-friendly partitioning (both of which are
my only two real gripes about boot-floppies, BTW...Red Hat went nearly
6 major versions before they had a GUI installer and they were turning
a profit off it. GUI is not necissary for installation...it may be
handy but it's not required. If debian-installer is one of the things
holding up Sarge, I suggest boot-floppies gets one last cruftover to
add options for automagically partitioning the drive and detecting
hardware to speed up Sarge's release a bit).
> I think that this is really important because IMHO Debian represents the
> best of free software.
Philosophy appears to be what's winning the war UnitedLinux thought it
was going to win, and accidentally achieving UL's goals. Except our
approach is better: We aren't vendor backed, despite many vendors
supplying thier customers with Debian. And the people making Debian
are the people using Debian and generally DDs have a receptive ear to
the community[1].
> Your argument could just as easily be applied to a commercial windoze
> product like Zone Alarm. In the case of Zone Alarm, though, I can't
> download and look at the source even if I wanted to. At least with
> firestarter I can, or at least do 'iptables -nvL' 8-)
I regularly tell Windows users this when they say "Oh, I'm safe, I
have $PERSONAL_FIREW^H^H^H^H^HSNAKEOIL installed."
[1] Except for the misbehaving ones that build pacakges depending on
packages not yet in Debian and tell people not to file bug reports
about this, or expect you to be a part of the upstream package's
community or equally unreasable and trollish behaviour.
- --
.''`. Baloo Ursidae <baloo@ursine.dyndns.org>
: :' : proud Debian admin and user
`. `'`
`- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system
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