RE: Where is Debian going?
In the world of software, "stable", "testing" and "unstable"
are pretty much the norm. Why change this?
Also, creating a "codename" or "project name" are in fact
A LOT easier to track than using version numbers
Shall I remind folks that we have names like "Chicago" (Windows 95),
and "Cairo" (Windows NT/2000)... making it into the press? Microsoft
is famous for calling "code names" before actual version, and sometimes,
these codenames actually end up being the product name. Hence, OS X,
or Warp.
How about "Carbon", "Aqua" and things of that nature?
Case-and-point: Try and follow this mess hypathetical mess:
"2.4.18r1 is not as stable as 2.4.18, but 2.4.18r1 contains a patch
that allows you to upgrade to 2.4.19 easier, therefore using 2.4.18r1
makes sense over using 2.4.18."
Translate that using objects names instead of version stamps...
"Cat is not as stable as Dog, but Cat contains a patch that allows you
to upgrade to Mouse easier, therefore using Cat makes sense over
using Dog."
I don't know about you, but the first part might be understood, but
its clearly something you need to read a couple times to make sure
you got it right. The second example is MUCH clearer.
Naming things Potato, Woody or Pig... its FAR easier to identify.
g.
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Halahan [mailto:tom@halahan.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:47 PM
To: Thatcher Ulrich; csj
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Where is Debian going?
Absolutely,
Get rid of the toy story names.
Start using proper language, especially in relation to
pakages, apt sources.
Make it easier to get non-free stuff on the CD's.
Tom
On Wednesday 10 July 2002 10:51 pm, Thatcher Ulrich wrote:
> On Jul 11, 2002 at 02:04 +0800, csj wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:03:17 -0500
> >
> > "Jamin W. Collins" <jcollins@asgardsrealm.net> wrote:
> > > I see potato as a release for servers and other
> > > mission critical systems. As such, I don't see much
> > > if any need for an X install on these.
> >
> > That's the problem. It seems that in Debian
> > stable=server. It's the same thing with posters who say
> > they won't touch linux 2.4 because it isn't stable,
> > when by stable they mean being able to run a system for
> > one year without a reboot.
> >
> > Maybe instead of stable, testing, and unstable, we can
> > have: server (must be stable), desktop (with newer but
> > not bleeding edge stuff) and developer (because they're
> > the ones who're in the best position to fix it).
>
> Yeah, I totally agree. I don't think there's
> anything particularly broken about Debian from the point
> of view of a computer enthusiast who is willing to spend
> time reading docs and mailing lists; in fact I think it's
> absolutely the best thing going for someone like that.
>
> However, to the new/casual user, the nomenclature of
> potato/woody/sid/stable/testing/unstable is baffling, and
> I think that's a shame, because Debian should be used
> more widely. The unfamiliar nomenclature doesn't have
> any real benefit that I can see, other than reinforcing
> the clubby culture of Debian. Once you're in it, you
> become less aware of it, which is why I think it's
> important to listen to newbies.
>
> MHO newbie opinion: emphasize version numbers (2.x, 3.x,
> 4.x) and start using mnemonics that are less intimidating
> to the casual user, or just de-emphasize the mnemonics
> altogether. The Toy Story code names are cute but
> totally confusing; I say ditch 'em.
>
> I guess what I'm getting at is: "I want to conquer the
> world, give all the idiots a brand new religion, put an
> end to poverty, uncleanliness and toil, then I'd save the
> whales, with a quick wink of the eye and a "God you must
> be joking"... " -- Bad Religion.
>
> I'm sure you can all relate...
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