Re: Small footprint window manager
13 May 2002 04:00:48 -0500 "Ron Johnson" <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>:
> On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 01:27, Miroslav Mazurek wrote:
> > 12 May 2002 23:55:36 -0500 "Ron Johnson" <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>:
> >
> > > On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 19:42, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Isn't this all rather academic, since Miroslav has a _386_ with
> > > > > only SIXTEEN MB RAM? Running X would be folly!! Not only is the
> > > > > CPU old and slow, but so is the RAM, HDD, video card, etc. And
> > > > > the HDD will tiny!!!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > sufficient X to have multiple term windows open at once. He won't be running
> > > > KDE or what not, but that is not a requirement. Web browsing, simple file
> > > > editing, etc can be done there. My first Debian machine was a 486 dx2 66 with
> > > > 16 megs of ram and a 800mb (top of the line for the time) hard drive.
> > >
> > > Your CPU was _much_ faster, you had 2x as much RAM, and I bet your
> > > HDD was faster than Miroslavs. And, as I question in another post,
> > > you were probably running the 2.0 (or lower?) kernel, and libc5,
> > > both of which are much smaller than kernel 2.2 with libc6 2.2.x.
> > > Don't forget the really old versions of XFree86 and gcc.
> > >
> > > In other words, RedHat 5.2 or what ever Debian was out then. He'd
> > > have to find binaries from back then, since newer s/w assumes libc6
> > >
> > > What would you _do_ with it, nowadays?
> > >
> > > The 2.2 kernel and apps like elvis and links or lynx in virtual
> > > terminals would be great (well, adequate) though.
> [snip]
> >
> > First of all, disk is IBM SCSI 2GB that seems pretty fast to me
> > and provides enough space.
> > The idea is to find how useful is such old box. If it can do some
> > web browsing, mail and some simple word processing I'd be satisfied.
> > No KDE or Gnome. Think of putting few such boxes in some public area
> > and enable people (students) check their mail and surf. I don't want
> > to pay M$ licenses. I thought, if it runs almost smoothly win95 (or
> > 3.11) why not Linux.
>
> It's the 8MB RAM that concerns me. Can you upgrade the box to
> 24MB?
>
> Remember, Win95, Win3.11 & older versions of the linux kernel and
> libraries were a _lot_ smaller than they are now.
>
> > Secondly, I'm terrified when I see that people are using PIII/Athlon
> > with 128MB and Win XXX for such simple tasks as POS. I don't think
> > that you need GUI to run such SW and I hope that Linux is not going in
> > that direction, too.
>
> I totally agree with you!
>
> > Thirdly, is there a way to use that box as X terminal?
>
> Sure... The 8MB of RAM will still _severely_ limit you. With 24MB
> or 32MB RAM, you could easily run kernel 2.2, libc6, and dillo, a
> lightweight GTK-based web browser. (If all that is allowed is web
> browsing, then no need for a window manager. Check a long thread
> in the regarding this subject in the debian-user archives from
> approx. 2 months ago.)
>
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Maybe I made mistake before, but its 16MB (no further upgrade possible).
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