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Re: a modest proposal - Debian needs more $



>>>>> "Colin" == Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> writes:

  Colin> /usr/share/doc/debian/debian-manifesto is a pretty good
  Colin> start. Debian is a distribution free in terms of both speech
  Colin> and beer. If we start charging our users for downloading it,
  Colin> we will be making the lives of many of our users much more
  Colin> difficult, which I completely oppose.

OK.  But some people downloading it are not users - they are
re-sellers.  

Here is a somewhat off-topic question :

You know all those nice CD vendors that have a donation checkbox for
Debian.  How do I know they are really donating the money ?  And if
they sell Debian CD's why aren't they _required_ to have a donation
checkbox ?

  Colin> Throwing them a bone by saying that 56K downloads will remain
  Colin> free isn't acceptable either. Take the recent case of a

You are correct - it's not a very good idea, is it ?

  Colin> friend of mine who wanted to set up a router, but didn't have
  Colin> any Unix experience. I pointed her at linuxiso.org, she
  Colin> downloaded and burnt the first potato CD, and I walked her
  Colin> through the installation process via IRC. Easy. If she'd had
  Colin> to wait days to download what she needed over dialup, I doubt
  Colin> she'd have bothered, and I would have felt ashamed that
  Colin> Debian had made her life more difficult just for the sake of
  Colin> a few extra bucks.

A great example and a situation which had not occurred to me.

  Colin> The fourth clause in the Debian Social Contract is "Our
  Colin> Priorities are Our Users and Free Software". If you forget
  Colin> either one, it stops being Debian.

Well don't forget that I'm bringing this all up as a potential way to
make life better for users in the long run.  Debian will certainly not
go away, but it could degrade to a point where a very small number of
people will use it which means that for all practical purposes it has
gone away.

  Colin> Donations, maybe - but charging for downloads is just wrong.

No maybe about it.  Volunteers spend time on Debian which is in fact a
donation.  Without donations nobody could download that ISO on DSL at
full speed.  Donations are not optional.  Charging is.

What I was trying to figure is :

More packages, more complexity - without bringing in additional
resources will Debian start to falter ?  Is there some equitable way
of charging to help with that ?  Practically speaking it doesn't look
like there is. 

  Colin> Another thing that's worth saying: the Debian QA team, which
  Colin> does a lot of the "unfun" work you talk about, is manned
  Colin> almost entirely by unpaid volunteers.

Then I guess I should join that team instead of tying up the mailing
list with silly ideas.


Brian



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