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Re: exim: misleading package description?



On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 07:37:29PM -0800, Kurt Lieber wrote:
> On Thursday 29 November 2001 07:05 pm, cmasters wrote:
> 
> > Hope you don't mind the interruption. You may have noticed my slew of
> > postings about difficulties with sorting mail. I read your reponse to mean
> > that I may not even require the services of procmail, as I ~am~ using exim
> > as my MTA. Is this correct? I just want fairly simple pre-sorting of mail
> > before I read it with mutt.
> 
> Um -- I haven't followed the other threads too closely, so I'm not intimately 
> familiar with your predicament.  However, my recommendation is to use 
> fetchmail, procmail and mutt together and cut exim out of the picture.  
> Procmail has a nasty, ugly, horrible syntax, but it's a more flexible 
> filtering program than exim.  Also, once you get up to speed with 
> fetchmail/procmail/mutt, you'll likely want to improve upon your filtering 
> capabilities to cull spam and other niceties.  That's where you probably want 
> to have procmail.
> 
Well now I'm confused yet again. All the documentation that I've read states
that some sort of mail-transport-agent is required in order to send/receive
mail. Sendmail was ornery in setup, so I installed exim (which in turn
removed sendmail). Are you saying that I don't ~need~ a
mail-transport-agent? I have several users (roommates) on this box and still
need to get my syslogs sent to me - as they are now.

Please clarify.

> Fetchmail can use procmail as the MDA -- just put:
> 
> mda "procmail"
> 
I tried that at the very beginning, but it's been established that exim is
likely interrupting the flow *shaking head*.

> in your .fetchmailrc file and exim should be completely removed from the 
> equation.
> 
> You'll also want to modify your .procmailrc file to use formail, which will 
> regenerate the "From" field so you don't lose your mail.  (see man procmail 
> for more info -- look for the -f option)
> 
This would then rewrite the 'from' field, requiring sorting by subject
contents, correct? *can't even imagine at this point*

> Note: that's just my opinion on how I would do things  It's worth about as 
> much as the e-paper this is printed on.
> 
> > No doubt a very helpful book. Unfortunately this "capital" city on the east
> > caost of Canada has just discovered that M$ is ~not~ the only OS. I'd have
> > to order said book, and wait 4 - 6 weeks for delivery of it. Not sure I can
> > go through another few weeks of this dilemma.
> 
> One thing that I've learned in my time with linux is that there are always 
> 472 different ways of doing the exact same damn thing.  I cannot tell you how 
> frustrating and wonderful that is, all at the same time.  There is no "one 
> right answer" for whatever you're trying to do.  
> 
Not feeling much of the wonderful right now ... although I do remember that
feeling when I removed gpm and got a fully functioning mouse *g*.

> So, my advice is to pick one way that seems to make the most sense and stick 
> with it.  Once you get more comfortable with linux, you can go back and 
> change things if you want.  But if you keep jumping around to different 
> configuration options, then you'll continue to spin your wheels and never get 
> anything done.
> 
> --kurt
> 
Good advice. Off to check the 'newbie' sites that you mentioned elsewhere.

Thank you again,

C. Masters



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