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Re: All packages ... again.

Actually you can come pretty close to installing all. I once did it for the
heck of it and have saved the selctions (if you are interested). Besides I
think it would be a good test of debians  excellent package 
management system to see if a novice users selected all packages , would
dpkg be able to make a sensible default resolution of the dependency 

b thomas

On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 04:17:02PM +1000, Ian Perry wrote:
> You said:  "Listen to the voices of experience."
> A few years ago I actually did what this person wanted to do... tried
> installing them all.
> After several weeks of tooling around and getting nowhere with an extremely
> unstable system, I ended up getting out my setup disks, killed the
> partitions and started from scratch.  I then did exactly as you suggested...
> trialled a few and came up with a regime of packages I liked, and ended up
> with a rock solid stable system which never gives any problems
> Ian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kmself@ix.netcom.com [mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 4:02 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: All packages ... again.
> on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 11:02:00PM -0500, dario.bahena@correo.unam.mx
> (dario.bahena@correo.unam.mx) wrote:
> > Hi ...
> >
> > Ok ... so, I was used to the fact that, my system just have one
> > program for the main tasks. If  debian has more than one option, I'd
> > like to ask again, a couple of things:
> >
> > a) If I'm not wrong, the programs can conflict each other, just in the
> >    case of simultaneous usage.  For example, they can compete for the
> >    same directory, the same TCP port, etc. But what could be wrong, if
> >    I install all the programs for the same tasks, and just "activate"
> >    one of them by configuration.  (and maybe, also configure the
> >    others to desactivate them).
> You can do this.  It's more work than the alternative:  installing a
> package you're interested in trialling for a period of time, then
> reverting to another package if it doesn't work out.
> > b) Aprox., How much disk space will be requiered to install ALL the
> >    packages???
> A friend of mine, Rick Moen, maintains a Debian archive mirror, on about
> 10 GB of storage.  This represents the compressed format of most
> packages, expect a full install to increase this requirement by 50-100%,
> possibly more.
> > I want to install all the packages, just because I like having the
> > program already installed, in the moment I need them ... maybe I
> > install some programs that never will be used, but it doesn´t matter
> > for me, I prefer that to loose some time downloading, maybe compiling
> > and installing the program.
> Your concerns are sorely misguided.  You'll spend far more time
> attempting this task than you will by installing the packages you need
> and testing the ones you're interested in on an as needed basis.   This
> will allow you to resolve issues when they arise, rather than fighting
> them all at once.
> Most debian packages weigh in at a few hundred KB -- even on a 56 K
> dialup line (my only current access), you can download and install a
> package in a matter of a few minutes, often less.  Some large packages
> take longer -- I figure a MB every five minutes or so, do the math.  But
> large packages tend to be end-user software which doesn't conflict with
> other stuff.  It's mostly the server space that does -- having multiple
> webservers, ftp servers, print services, etc., installed, simply doesn't
> work.  Debian is designed to identify both dependencies and conflicts.
> Your request is guaranteed to raise conflicts.  If you have a high-speed
> connection, or are accessing the distribution from CDROMs or a locally
> hosted mirror, you'll be able to install packages in seconds.  It would
> literally take longer to read the package list from disk, in many cases,
> than to download a package from a remote site, when I had a high-speed
> Internet connection.
> The simple fact is that you'll spend more time trying to force your
> system into doing something it's designed to prevent, and it will take
> you longer to test various packages out, than if you just use Debian the
> way it's designed.  A friend of mine who does technical reviews of
> GNU/Linux software for a major tech journal sees Debian as the *only*
> way he can do his job.  Because Debian takes so much of the pain out of
> trying out new software, it's the best way for him to do his
> evaluations.
> Listen to the voices of experience.
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