i've got ogg tools, and ripperx. ripperx displays ogg as an option for an encoder. i've selected it, and it will only rip the wavs, and then save a 0 byte file as file.ogg (name of wave ripped). i can encode ogg files just fine from the command line, is there any reason why i shouldn't be able to do it right from ripperx? -- Forrest English http://truffula.net "I don't like this air, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop breathing." -Doug Martsch