Re: Removal from list
brian moore wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 10:53:45PM +0100, Marco Herrn wrote:
> > Now I have the same problem. I tried it several times written the
> > unsubscribe in the subject and in the body. But it doesn't work. Thats the
> > answer I get:
> >
> > You have not been removed, I couldn't find your name on the list.
> > What I did find were the following approximate matches:
> >
> > 1745 herrn@gmx.net 32752 herrn@gmx.net
> > 822 list.ebirn@gmx.net 18529 herrn@gmx.net
> > 432 c-3@gmx.net 18227 herrn@gmx.net
> > 741 sfr@gmx.net 18227 herrn@gmx.net
> > 623 gsmh@gmx.net 17202 herrn@gmx.net
> > 791 42ff@gmx.net 17202 herrn@gmx.net
> > 1197 m_g_m@gmx.net 16631 herrn@gmx.net
> > 704 molino@gmx.net 15460 herrn@gmx.net
> >
> >
> > What I find really interesting is that my e-mail adress is contained 9
> > times!
>
> Because it found 9 'similar' things and wasn't sure which you were
> talking about.
>
> The left hand side is 'addresses on the list', the right hand side is 'I
> think it matches this address-like-thing I found in your mail'.
> Admittedly SmartList isn't exactly clear about the meanings there, but
> I've played with SmartList for years and know it well. :)
>
> SmartList uses some weird logic to find address-like-things in mail
> headers because, well, people suck and are subscribed based on all sorts
> of things other than their 'From:' header (it could be their 'reply-to'
> or their 'envelope-from' or 'sender:' and even then it may or may not
> include a hostname like mail.example.com instead of just example.com....
> handling mailing lists sucks when so many clients and users are broken).
well, the confusing thing is that the address that I tried to
unsubscribe by explicitly listing it in the subject (I have the same
problem) is exactly the same as the one listed as similar. And since I
explicitly asked for specific address to be unsubscribed I see no reason
for SmartList to try to figure out what the address is from headers.
one way or another, I cannot send email from subscribed address (so
that all from/reply-to match) and I cannot unsubscribe (not sure if
there is causal relationship between the two).
erik
> > And this problem must be new. I have subscribed and unsubscribed several
> > times already. And evertime it worked.
>
> Someone changed the thresholds in SmartList (those funny numbers in the
> 3rd column). The defaults (from ~list/.etc/rc.init on a Debian machine):
>
> match_threshold = 30730 # for close matches to the list
> medium_threshold= 28672 # for not so close matches to the list
> loose_threshold = 24476 # for loosely finding your name
>
> auto_off_threshold= $medium_threshold # for auto-unsubscribing bouncers
> off_threshold = $loose_threshold # for unsubscribing
> reject_threshold= $match_threshold # for rejecting subscriptions
> submit_threshold= $medium_threshold # for permitting submissions
>
> Clearly the first line in your quote above is more close (32752 > 30730)
> than is needed in a stock install of SmartList and is the -only- one that
> is above the 'off_threshold', so it should remove you just fine. It
> should have matched your address, removed it and been done here:
>
> if $multigram -b1 -l$off_threshold -x$listreq -x$listaddr $remov $dist \
> 2>/dev/null
> then
> $echo ""
> $echo "You have been removed from the list."
>
> Instead it fell through to:
> else
> $echo "You have not been removed, I couldn't find your name on the list."
> if test ! -z "$unsub_assist" -a 0 != "$unsub_assist"
> then
> $echo "What I did find were the following approximate matches:"
> $echo ""
> $multigram -m -b$unsub_assist -l-32767 -x$listreq -x$listaddr $dist \
> <$tmprequest
> (etc)
>
> Note that it opens the limit (-l) on the second part to show you
> everything, even things far looser than what would normally match.
>
> The numbers shouldn't be tweaked casually, but aparrently someone did
> that. They should undo that tweaking.
>
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