Oh yes -- an addition to my last email. Where I said the error message looks like "xxx (init): cannot something.." the "xxx" should read: "sendto" I get the same error message when I try to ping places too. :) Thanks again -- Seth Arnold | http://www.willamette.edu/~sarnold/ Hate spam? See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for help Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!