Here's what I get every time I run rdate: rdate: Could not connect socket: Connection refused I'm thinking the socket in question is one on this machine, yes? I've tried a number of ntp servers (tycho, bigben) and always the same output. I see I have this xntp thing on this machine, so I ran /etc/init.d/xntp3 stop and sure enough it's stopped, at least according to ps -aux. --- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, R.I.