Re: Debian 1.2 is broken out of the box.
Hmmm, I could not see the original with my basic pine setup but I could
finally see the message in your reply.
If this fellow has been struggling for weeks trying to get the basic
system installed, my guess is that he has not been reading the
instructions. It is not something that can be "figured out" as you go
along for the first time user.
Suggestions:
Once you get the partitions built and the base disks installed, run
dselect but DO NOT PICK any additional programs other then what is
preselected the first time through.
If you are installing over FTP, you might have to cycle through the
install/setup a few times to get everything installed. You might want to
remove some of the larger programs (like emacs ... you can install them
later if you need them). I have had problems this evening with the FTP
connection "freezing" and timing out causing me to have to recycle through
the install option of the dselect menu.
Once you have the preselected stuff downloaded, installed, and configured,
run dselect again to pick up the other software that you want.
Take one thing at a time. Get the network running if you have one. Get
your news and mail working in text mode first.
Get PPP working. Then worry about X. Do not try to do too nuch
all at once. Break it up into a series of phases and get one thing
working before you try to move on to the next thing. Trying to do to much
at once will likely swamp a newbie in so many error messages that he might
not know where to start. Take it slow.
> On Tue, 13 May 1997, Jim wrote:
>
> > <HTML>
> > Speaking as someone who has spent lots of spare time over the last few
> > weeks trying to install Debian
> > <BR>w/ only limited success, I feel I have earned the right to criticize
> > you Debian folks for not bothering
> > <BR>to test your stuff.
> >
> > <P>Did the basic diskette installation that I got from ftp.kernel.org's
> > mirror site.
> > <BR>And here is a short list of the stuff that's broken straight out of
> > the box:
> >
> > <P>1) eepro module does not work w/ Intel Ether Express Pro/10+ (It worked
> > fine when I compiled it under
> > <BR>Red Hat)
> > <BR>2) There is no help available at install time for what options are
> > valid and/or required for each ethernet
> > <BR>card. I had to guess the options. Red Hat doesn't suffer
> > from this problem, why should Debian?
> > <BR>3) Using a mirror and installing via ftp, I allowed the default selections
> > to be installed. THE DEFAULTS FAIL!!
> > <BR>Here is a complete list of DEFAULT packages which won't install right
> > out the box and other mistakes:
> >
> > <P>-inn - requires pgp, but since that's not available, not even as a stub,
> > on US servers, it refuses to install
> > <BR> AND, the package description makes no mention of
> > the pgp issue or which servers to get it from or
> > <BR> the readme that you carefully put into the bottom
> > drawer of a locked filing cabinet on a planet orbiting
> > <BR> alpha-centuri :) (Gratuitous Hitchhiker's Guide
> > reference)
> > <BR>-debianutils_1.4.deb - predependency prob. requires libc5>=5.4.17-1
> > but only 5.4.13-1 installed
> > <BR>-base-passwd_2.0-3.deb - predep. probl. requires libreadline2>=2.1
> > but only 2.0.1-2 installed
> > <BR>-libc6_2.0.3-2 - predep. probl. requires ldso>=1.8.10-1 but only 1.8.5-1
> > installed
> > <BR>-hostname_2.01.deb - predep. probl. requires libc5>-5.4.17-1 but only
> > 5.4.13-1 installed
> > <BR>-netstd_2.13-1 - predep. probl. requires netbase>=2.08 but only 2.06-1
> > installed
> > <BR>-perl_5.003.07-10 - overwrites files /usr/lib/perl5/i386-linux/5.00307/auto/Socket/Socket.so
> > Socket.bs and
> > <BR> Config.pm, Find.pm, Basename.pm, Path.pm...etc.
> > which are also in package perl-base. It says that it succeds
> > <BR> because --force enabled. However, I wonder
> > what damage is being done.
> > <BR>-perl-base - predep. probl. requires libdl1 to be configured but it
> > can't possibly be since this is the DEFAULT and
> > <BR> first package installation.
> > <BR>-psnfss & texpsfnt conflict but --force overcomes this conflict.
> > What damage is being done here??
> > <BR>-The tex setup produces so much output it's useless.
> > <BR>-teTeX is NOT the default package, yet, its installation information
> > indicates that it is the successor to all other
> > <BR> Tex's and is recommended. Why is the teTeX
> > stuff not installed by default??
> > <BR>-xserver-vga16 allows you to install w/o requiring all the essential
> > fonts. It fails during configuration when it goes
> > <BR> looking for its 75dpi fonts. I overcame this
> > by going back and installing every X font package in sight. Still,
> > it's
> > <BR> BROKEN! I already sent mail to package maintainer.
> >
> > <P>4) dselect uses the power of perl to create an installation package
> > worthy of DOS shell script. Basically, the
> > <BR> logic chart of dselect is:
> >
> > <P> DEPENDENCIES SATISFIED -- YES -- > install
> > <BR> |
> > <BR> | -- NO -- > THROW A FIT
> >
> > <P>The proper way to do things is to keep pitching stuff that can't immediately
> > be installed to the end of the list so that
> > <BR>prerequisites have a chance to be installed and configured. Should
> > be easy enough to do. At least you picked the
> > <BR>right tool :)
> >
> > <P>5) Any upgrades of dselect or dpkg should be done FIRST so that other
> > packages which depend on the installation
> > <BR> program knowing what is going on won't fail.
> >
> > <P>6) dselect uses perl to install. However any problems during a
> > perl installation (as happened to me previously ) and dselect now fails.
> > This is BAD, VERY BAD. dselect and dpkg are supposed to be the means
> > to correct installation
> > <BR>problems and they should not be affected by installation problems,
> > especially perl which is non-trivial. I would suggest a
> > <BR>protected copy of perl be included with upgrades of dselect.
> >
> > <P>7) Debian should really request that their description on www.linux.org
> > be changed to:
> >
> > <P>"Debian is maintained by 120 voluteers who can't be bothered to test
> > their stuff."
> >
> > <P>And you may think this is cruel, but Microsoft is still winning and
> > I have a bad feeling about Red Hat.</HTML>
> >
> >
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>
>
> --Rick
>
> rickya@siservices.net
>
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