Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
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> Todd> On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Todd Graham Lewis wrote:
> Todd>
> Todd> On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote:
> Todd>
> Todd> > Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things.
> Todd>
> Todd> OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash
> Todd> and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux.
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> [t]csh has fg,bg stuff built in. And tcsh isn't gnu-ish
This was a discussion about Virtual consoles, not about job-control.
Yes, Jobcontrol has nothing to do with linux (more with Unix),
but Virtual Consoles really aren't built in tcsh.
With virtual consoles we mean the stuff you see when you press
ALT_F[0-6] (or, ALT_CONTROL_F[0-6], if you're in X), and with them
you can have several programmes running on their own screen, not
like the &/bg/fg/^z jobcontrol, then the programmes can run at the
same time (that's just unix), but they will mess up eachother's output
(try running two vi/emacs sessions without VC/X, but just using
jobcontrol, and you'll see the difference between VC's and jobcontrol).
> P.S that diesn't mean that linux isn't great :-)
It means that Linux has another extra feature (VC's) that most (all?)
other usixes don't have, but whether that means Linux is much
better than FreeBSD/SCO/NT, I really don't know (I don't use
the other systems)
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Dale Scheetz wrote:
> It's not clear that we have been listening to the same group. At least, I
> never opposed the payment portion of your idea.
Ditto. I suspect that the feedback that caused Bruce to change his mind
came through private mail from developers.
> P.S. Just another point. If we had a place to deposit money, any future
> montary problems could be solved by "small" donations from the developers.
> I'd certainly send in $10 to help finance the project through any tough
> times. If the rest of the group feels as I do this would yield $1600
> dollars in one fell swoop. This wouldn't get very many people to trade
> shows, but it would provide funds for advertising and other promotional
> material.
You need a clear idea of what you want to spend the money on before you
go fund-raising, but I support the idea in general. Charging (or asking
for contributions from) developers isn't going to get you very far, though.
They already contribute time, I don't think expecting cash as well is
really fair. And $1600 is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.
Charging distributors (and thus end-users, indirectly) seem more reasonable
and more likely to raise enough cash to actually get something done.
Having said all that, it needs to be stated clearly somewhere (in a charter
or something) that the purpose of the Debian project is NOT to raise money
or produce a fancy disk. I think everybody agrees with this, but it should
be stated (etched in stone) somewhere explicitly and some ground rules laid
down so that we never become dependant on the cash.
Regards...
... Ami.
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