Re: X11 bashing

[Martin Konold <konold@fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de>]

Hi there,

This message was definetelly not appropriate for
debian-devel@lists.debian.org.
I even do not know if it is for debian-user@lists.debian.org.
Is there still a debian-talk list?

 
> I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is  
> still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface.

This is a true problem which last from the fact that X11 is seperated
from the stadart toolkit Motif (which is payware)


> The STUPIDITY of the whole thing is frustrating.

Yes this is also true. There is no orthogonal user interface.

> Text fields between applications do not work the same.  One is not  
> guranteed to be able to copy/paste text between fields.  Some fields must  
> have the mouse pointer within them during the editing process, some don't.

This is due to different toolkits.

> There is no inter-application communication or awareness to speak of.

This can be handled via sockets,fifos,ipc...

[lot of stuff about deficiencies of X11 based desktops]

   !! There is a solution up and coming !!

Have look at the kde project.

You will find kde mirrors at the following locations:
 ftp://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/pub/kde/  <-- primary site
 ftp://ftp.net.lut.ac.uk/kde/
 ftp://ftp.nvg.unit.no/pub/linux/kde/
 
WWW info can be found at:
 http://www-pu.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/users/ettrich/kde.txt
 http://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/kde/index.html
 http://www.zws.com/kde/
 http://er4www.eng.ohio-state.edu/~cooperb/kde/style.html
 
There is a nice screenshot of an already working kde (kool desktop
environment)
  
  http://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/kde/demos/kdescreenshot1.jpg.gz


We already do have:
 kcalc     a nifty kde calculator with hex, dec, oct, bin
 kclock    a simple analog kde clock
 kfm	   the kde filemanager (also handles URLs and tar)
 kmines    a kde minesweeper clone
 kpat      a kde solitaer clone
 colia     a kde draw program which shall replace xfig/tgif
 kMix      a kde mixer for your soundcard
 kterm     a kde replacement for xterm
 libkde    a configuration class library
 kpopup    a kde extension to Qt
 progress  a kde extension to Qt
 kwm       a kde windows manager
 acli      a little command line interface 

Soon to come

 kLyX      a kde version of the famous WYSIWYM LaTeX based textprocessor
 ktetris   a kde version of tetris (we've been all waiting for :-))


Yours,
-- martin

BTW: Who wants to write a dpkg based installer for kde.


// Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany  // 
// Email: konold@tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de              // 
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