oh, one more thing... (sorry for two separate messages..) I was looking for the OpenWindows s(open look) binaries, and couldn't find a debian package. any ideas where i can get these binaries ( or the source code??) i looked at sunsite (down for the last couple of days) and tsx-11, but they seem to have 94 releases (somewhat old.. don't you think??) anyway, any help appreciated... -Frank