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Re: Notes on IRC meeting

On 2010-03-17, Marc Haber <mh+debian-release@zugschlus.de> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 03:15:32PM +0000, Sune Vuorela wrote:
>> On 2010-03-17, Marc Haber <mh+debian-release@zugschlus.de> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 02:13:42PM +0000, Sune Vuorela wrote:
>> >> On 2010-03-17, Marc Haber <mh+debian-release@zugschlus.de> wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:02:05PM +0000, Sune Vuorela wrote:
>> >> >> and we would really like to have more than a couple of weeks
>> >> >> from 'upload to unstable' to 'debian freeze'. We kind of expected to
>> >> >> have a couple of months with real users testing it.
>> >> >
>> >> > So you would want to have the freeze delayed even more to accomodate
>> >> > you?
>> >> 
>> >> We would have uploaded several weeks ago if the release team hadn't
>> >> asked us to wait.
>> >
>> > Did they state a reason?
>> They want to break the archives with some transitions before they let us
>> break the archive.
> That sounds like a perfectly valid reason, allowing you to enter your
> transition without having to think about others. A KDE transition is
> hard enough even when one doesn't need to think about a truckload of
> other transitions that may interfere.

I'm not arguing about the validity of their reasons. I'm stating that it
gives us much less user testing than we would like, and that it might
hurt the quality of KDE in debian.

It is also a problem that the longer we wait for a new major kde release
to put it in debian, the harder it is to get upstream to care for the
problems we get into.

And it is also a problem for the KDE team that we are working hard to
get something ready in order to just get stalled by other things. This
also hurts our ability to attract and keep new people for the Debian KDE
team as it might take months for their work to be able to reach the

And this btw happens at almost every release.

  -  hoping to one day get to 'less waiting' and more 'release early
     release often'

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