Revised analysis of packages trying to be removed from testing that just
won't go:
> trying: -cl-uncommonsql
> skipped: -cl-uncommonsql (300 <- 38)
> got: 188+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-64
> * i386: cl-local-time-db
Package: cl-uncommonsql
Testing: 1.1.8.5-1
Unstable: 1.2.1-1
Suggestion: don't-remove-from-testing
Analysis: in addition to cl-local-time-db, cl-metadata also has a
dependency on both of the preceding packages. The original RC bug
against cl-uncommonsql, 186521, has since been fixed; there's no longer
any reason to try to kick this package (and its dependents) out of
testing, as the updated version should trivially make its way in once
this block is removed.
> trying: -curl-ssl
> skipped: -curl-ssl (301 <- 37)
> got: 384+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-63:i-41:m-43:m-37:m-36:p-40
> * i386: php4-curl
> * powerpc: php4-curl
Package: curl-ssl
Testing: 7.9.5-2
Unstable: none
Suggestion: yank-it-out-by-the-roots
Analysis: PHP is already a mess in testing, and this package needs to go
-- one more broken dependency won't hurt anything. Or if it's easier,
it can languish a bit longer until php4 4.3 makes it in.
> trying: -eel
> skipped: -eel (302 <- 36)
> got: 44+0: a-44
> * alpha: galeon-nautilus, libnautilus-dev, nautilus
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: package superseded by eel2, and has already been removed from
unstable; just waiting on galeon and nautilus to be up-to-date in
testing.
> trying: -gimp1.2
> skipped: -gimp1.2 (303 <- 35)
> got: 50+0: a-50
> * alpha: exult-studio, gimp-dimage-color, gimp-python, gimp1.2-quiteinsane, gtkam-gimp, mtink, sane, xpcd-gimp, xsane
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: Needs removing, but needs the new gimp package to be ready for
testing first to satisfy all the dependencies on libgimp1.2; and that's
held up by perl right now, which is waiting on mips{,el} binaries
(last build attempt on both archs failed).
> trying: -gnome-core
> skipped: -gnome-core (304 <- 34)
> got: 48+0: a-48
> * alpha: galeon-nautilus, gnome-admin, gnome-media, ickle-gnome, libpanel-applet-ruby, nautilus, seti-applet
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: Replaced by meta-gnome2, which is also not yet ready for
testing; it depends on gnucash, which has known serious portability
problems. This could probably use some help from someone of a
scheme-ish bent. There seems to be a sentiment that the FTBFS archs
for gnucash should be dropped from the supported list, but there's
reason to believe the bugs affect *all* archs even if the PRNG-using
tests squeak by on some of them.
> trying: -gnome-guile
> skipped: -gnome-guile (305 <- 33)
> got: 42+0: a-42
> * alpha: gwave
Package: gwave
Testing: 20020122-1
Unstable: 20020122-1
Bugs: 187829
Suggestion: remove-from-testing
Analysis: Package depended on libguilegtk0, which has been removed from
unstable and is therefore unmaintained in testing. The gwave package
has a 5-month-old grave bug open about this issue, with no sign of
resolution.
> trying: -id3lib
> skipped: -id3lib (306 <- 32)
> got: 42+0: a-42
> * alpha: grip
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: I previously reported that grip had been rebuilt against
the new library, but this turns out to *only* be the case on i386. Bug
212793 has been filed about this issue.
> trying: -java-virtual-machine-dummy
> skipped: -java-virtual-machine-dummy (307 <- 31)
> got: 190+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-66
> * i386: jmeter, tomcat4, tomcat4-webapps
Package: java-virtual-machine-dummy
Testing: 0.3
Unstable: none
Suggestion: yank-it-out-by-the-roots
Analysis: These three packages are all in contrib, and the dependency
should therefore be ignorable. (java-virtual-machine-dummy is also the
last in a list of dependency-satisfying alternatives for the packages.)
> trying: -jsboard
> skipped: -jsboard (308 <- 30)
> got: 194+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-70
> * i386: jsboard-theme-aicom-ko, jsboard-theme-debian-ko, jsboard-theme-diary-en, jsboard-theme-diary-ko, jsboard-theme-trash-en, jsboard-theme-trash-ko, jsboard-theme-wizz-ko
Package: jsboard-theme-aicom-ko, jsboard-theme-debian-ko, jsboard-theme-diary-en, jsboard-theme-diary-ko, jsboard-theme-trash-en, jsboard-theme-trash-ko, jsboard-theme-wizz-ko
Testing: 0.5-1
Unstable: 0.5-1
Suggestion: remove-from-testing
Analysis: Depend on a package we want to remove; these packages are not
useful without jsboard itself.
> trying: -kernel-image-2.2.20-i386
> skipped: -kernel-image-2.2.20-i386 (309 <- 29)
> got: 190+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-66
> * i386: pcmcia-modules-2.2.20, pcmcia-modules-2.2.20-compact, pcmcia-modules-2.2.20-idepci
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: Per Joey Hess, these pcmcia modules packages are no longer
useful; and indeed, the current version of pcmcia-cs doesn't include
these binary packages. Should be in sync on all archs within a few
days, at which point kernel-image-2.2.20-i386 will drop out on its
own.
> trying: -kernel-image-2.4.20-3-i386
> skipped: -kernel-image-2.4.20-3-i386 (310 <- 28)
> got: 208+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-84
> * i386: alsa-modules-2.4.20-3-386, alsa-modules-2.4.20-3-586tsc, alsa-modules-2.4.20-3-686, alsa-modules-2.4.20-3-686-smp, alsa-modules-2.4.20-3-k6, alsa-modules-2.4.20-3-k7, alsa-modules-2.4.20-3-k7-smp, i2c-2.4.20-3-386, i2c-2.4.20-3-586tsc, i2c-2.4.20-3-686, i2c-2.4.20-3-686-smp, i2c-2.4.20-3-k6, i2c-2.4.20-3-k7, i2c-2.4.20-3-k7-smp, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-3-386, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-3-586tsc, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-3-686, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-3-686-smp, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-3-k6, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-3-k7, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-3-k7-smp
No one has indicated that the alsa, i2c, and linux-wlan-ng modules
should also be disposed of. The alsa-modules-i386 package, at least,
has been updated in sid to match the available kernels, and is now
merely in testing purgatory. i2c has been updated in unstable, but is
already out-of-date again wrt the kernels it supports.
> trying: -kernel-source-2.2.20
> skipped: -kernel-source-2.2.20 (311 <- 27)
> got: 188+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-64
> * i386: kernel-patch-2.2.20-powerpc
Package: kernel-patch-2.2.20-powerpc
Testing: 2.2.20-3
Unstable: 2.2.20-3
Suggestion: remove-from-testing, remove-from-unstable
Analysis: Bug 212953 has already been filed requesting removal of this
package from the archive, since it's no longer needed for the powerpc
port.
> trying: -kgeo
> skipped: -kgeo (312 <- 26)
> got: 188+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-64
> * i386: junior-kde
> trying: -kstars
> skipped: -kstars (313 <- 25)
> got: 188+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-64
> * i386: junior-kde
Package: junior-kde
Testing: 1.1
Unstable: 1.1
Suggestion: remove-from-testing
Analysis: The new kdeedu package that provides both kgeo and kstars is
out of sync in unstable, and has been since Jun 5. In the meantime,
the old versions of these packages are helping to hold up the removal
of various old KDE libs as well. The junior-kde package can be removed
from testing to clean this up, or we can wait for kdeedu to be
installable in testing.
> trying: -libapache-mod-perl
> skipped: -libapache-mod-perl (314 <- 24)
> got: 46+0: a-46
> * alpha: axkit, libapache-authensmb, libapache-db-perl, libapache-request-perl, logtrend-visuapache
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: In unstable, libapache-mod-perl comes from the apache source
package, which currently has two RC bugs (209276, 207453) that are
being worked on.
> trying: -libmime-base64-perl
> skipped: -libmime-base64-perl (315 <- 23)
> got: 42+0: a-42
> * alpha: sympa
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: sympa is out of date on hppa due to the glibc problems there.
There is an RC bug on sympa which may or may not still be applicable --
and may or may not even affect the version currently in testing. Have
followed up to the bug, but otherwise think this is a wait-and-see for
the moment.
> trying: -librsvg
> skipped: -librsvg (316 <- 22)
> got: 46+0: a-46
> * alpha: galeon-nautilus, libeel-dev, libeel0, libnautilus-dev, nautilus
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: Just as eel is superseded by eel2, this package has been
superseded by librsvg2, and is waiting for the same reason.
> trying: -libweakref-perl
> skipped: -libweakref-perl (317 <- 21)
> got: 193+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-69
> * i386: libxml-twig-perl, libxmltv-perl, libxtm-perl, xmltv, xmltv-gui, xmltv-util
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: Removed from unstable, can't be removed from testing until a
few more packages are brought up to date (e.g., perl).
> trying: -medusa
> skipped: -medusa (318 <- 20)
> got: 45+0: a-45
> * alpha: galeon-nautilus, libnautilus-dev, libnautilus0, nautilus
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: Removed from unstable, caught up in the whole nautilus chain.
> trying: -orp
> skipped: -orp (319 <- 19)
> got: 188+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-64
> * i386: orp-classpath
Package: orp-classpath
Testing: 1:0.02.1-3
Unstable: 1:0.02.1-3
Suggestion: remove-from-testing
Analysis: When requesting orp's removal, Colin wrote, "Note that
orp-classpath depends on this, but is obviously useless itself with a
broken orp."
> trying: -pd
> skipped: -pd (320 <- 18)
> got: 42+0: a-42
> * alpha: gem
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: Package renamed to 'puredata' in unstable, and should
propagate into testing soon; gem, however, is being held out of testing
by a FTBFS on alpha (and possibly another one on hppa, though the hppa
buildd doesn't seem to have attempted the latest version of this
package). Bug #212003 has been filed for the alpha failure.
> trying: -php4
> skipped: -php4 (321 <- 17)
> got: 47+0: a-47
> * alpha: apl, php-cgiwrap, php-imlib, php4-apc, php4-dbase, php4-dbtcp, php4-gd2, php4-mcrypt, snui-server
Package: php4
Suggestion: don't-remove-from-testing
Analysis: Obviously, php4 is resisting removal. Given that it's not
coming out, the original motivation for trying to remove it no longer
applies, and it's better to focus again on getting the newer version of
the package into testing.
> trying: -pike
> skipped: -pike (322 <- 16)
> got: 44+0: a-44
> * alpha: libroxen-floatingcode, libroxen-form, roxen
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: Now provided by pike7.2 source package in unstable, which is
waiting only for caudium to be built on all architectures. As soon as
s390 packages are uploaded, this can be hinted in.
> trying: -pike7
> skipped: -pike7 (323 <- 15)
> got: 189+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-65
> * i386: roxen2, roxen2-ssl
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: In bug 166311, the roxen2 maintainer admits that this package
is "dead upstream". I've followed up to point out it is now
uninstallable in sid, asking whether these packages should be shipped
with sarge.
> trying: -pspell
> skipped: -pspell (324 <- 14)
> got: 42+0: a-42
> * alpha: sylpheed-claws
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: The sylpheed-claws package has already been rebuilt against
aspell in sid, and is waiting on the python2.3 transition. Should
resolve itself in due course.
> trying: -quicktime4linux
> skipped: -quicktime4linux (325 <- 13)
> got: 195+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-71
> * i386: fbtv, motv, scantv, streamer, ttv, webcam, xawtv, xawtv-plugins
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: The list of uninstallable packages seem to all point back to
xawtv-plugins, which depended on libquicktime4linux0 in testing. The
version of xawtv in unstable is, in turn, waiting for the new version
of libquicktime to be current on all archs before it propagates into
testing. The build failures on s390/arm appear to be caused by
toolchain problems, not package bugs.
> trying: -ruby
> skipped: -ruby (326 <- 12)
> got: 87+0: a-87
> * alpha: eruby, libapache-mod-ruby, libdb-ruby, libdb2-ruby, libdb3-ruby, libdb4.1-ruby, libdbd-sqlite-ruby, libeb-ruby, liberuby, liberuby-dev, libexif-ruby, libfam-ruby, libgd-ruby, libgdk-imlib-ruby, libgdk-pixbuf-ruby, libglade-ruby, libgnome-ruby, libgtk-ruby, libiconv-ruby, libintl-gettext-ruby, libkakasi-ruby, libldap-ruby, libmysql-ruby, libpanel-applet-ruby, libpcap-ruby, libpgsql-ruby, libsdl-ruby, libshadow-ruby, libstrscan-ruby, libsufary-ruby, libtmail-ruby, libuconv-ruby, libvorbisfile-ruby, libwidestudio-dev, libwidestudio-ruby, libwrap-ruby, libxml-parser-ruby, libxmms-ruby, libzlib-ruby, mhc-utils, quantlib-ruby, racc-runtime, rubymagick, vim-ruby, widestudio, xmlrpc4r
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: eruby has been rebuilt against libruby1.8, but has build
failures on two archs. libapache-mod-ruby has also been rebuilt, but
has a build failure on powerpc (and is waiting on apache). Others
still need rebuilding against libruby1.8. Since ruby1.8 is current in
testing, this looks fairly parallelizable; I'll go through and file
bugs on any packages that haven't yet been bugged about it.
> trying: -suidmanager
> skipped: -suidmanager (327 <- 11)
> got: 42+0: a-42
> * alpha: amavis-ng-milter-helper
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: The amavis-ng package is uninstallable on two archs due to the
absence of an arj package there, which keeps the suidmanager-less
package out of testing. Bug #213024 has been filed for this.
> trying: -uw-imap-ssl
> skipped: -uw-imap-ssl (328 <- 10)
> got: 45+0: a-45
> * alpha: php3-cgi-imap, php3-imap, php4-imap, postman
Suggestion: wait-and-see
Analysis: These packages have been rebuilt against uw-imap, but are
waiting for that package to propagate into testing. This appears to be
another dependency waiting game.
> trying: -xanim
> skipped: -xanim (329 <- 9)
> got: 188+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-64
> * i386: tkxanim
From <20030909053946.EFDF11C93D@laptop.nahmias.net>:
Package: tkxanim
Testing: 0.43-6
Unstable:0.43-6
Bugs: 208373
Suggestion: remove-from-testing, remove-from-unstable
Analysis:
This package contains a Tcl/Tk interface to xanim. xanim was removed
from unstable because it was a long time orphaned non-free app that has
since been replaces/superceded by xine. As this package is useless
without xanim, there doesn't seem much of a point keeping it around.
N.B. tkxanim is the only reverse-dep on xanim; so after it is removed,
both can/should be removed from testing.
Bug 212076 has been filed on ftp.debian.org requesting this removal.
> trying: -xerces
> skipped: -xerces (330 <- 8)
> got: 45+0: a-45
> * alpha: libapache-mod-xslt, libxalan1.2, libxalan1.2-dev, xalan
> trying: -xerces20
> skipped: -xerces20 (331 <- 7)
> got: 42+0: a-42
> * alpha: libxml-xerces-perl
These two will hopefully be taken care of tomorrow; requires some
hinting to get xalan, icu, and all three versions of xerces to go
through at once.
Additionally, these packages have already been removed from testing, and
can probably be reconsidered as candidates going the other way:
haddock ndtpd mirrordir cwcdr ecartis mantis elvis sourcenav
chicken gdis pydb gnome-pilot gnome-pilot-conduits solfege grap
motioneye tora docbook-jrefentry fenris thoughttracker
multi-gnome-terminal ferret gnome-pim netjuke eglade ncps jbofihe
siege-ssl root-portal dancer-ircd boot-floppies gnews uae
kernel-patch-ttl realtimebattle j-cvsbook vold objc-poc
innovation3d-plugins xtend
Many of these packages will still be held out of testing for other
reasons (RC bugs, out-of-date on some architectures).
These packages should probably be manually kept out of testing for a
while due to the nature of historic brokenness:
animals gamix ibm-jdk1.1-installer zope-ldap oops
I've requested removal from unstable for this package:
bnc
--
Steve Langasek
postmodern programmer
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