Revised analysis of packages trying to be removed from testing that just won't go: > trying: -cl-uncommonsql > skipped: -cl-uncommonsql (300 <- 38) > got: 188+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-64 > * i386: cl-local-time-db Package: cl-uncommonsql Testing: 1.1.8.5-1 Unstable: 1.2.1-1 Suggestion: don't-remove-from-testing Analysis: in addition to cl-local-time-db, cl-metadata also has a dependency on both of the preceding packages. The original RC bug against cl-uncommonsql, 186521, has since been fixed; there's no longer any reason to try to kick this package (and its dependents) out of testing, as the updated version should trivially make its way in once this block is removed. > trying: -curl-ssl > skipped: -curl-ssl (301 <- 37) > got: 384+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-63:i-41:m-43:m-37:m-36:p-40 > * i386: php4-curl > * powerpc: php4-curl Package: curl-ssl Testing: 7.9.5-2 Unstable: none Suggestion: yank-it-out-by-the-roots Analysis: PHP is already a mess in testing, and this package needs to go -- one more broken dependency won't hurt anything. Or if it's easier, it can languish a bit longer until php4 4.3 makes it in. > trying: -eel > skipped: -eel (302 <- 36) > got: 44+0: a-44 > * alpha: galeon-nautilus, libnautilus-dev, nautilus Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: package superseded by eel2, and has already been removed from unstable; just waiting on galeon and nautilus to be up-to-date in testing. > trying: -gimp1.2 > skipped: -gimp1.2 (303 <- 35) > got: 50+0: a-50 > * alpha: exult-studio, gimp-dimage-color, gimp-python, gimp1.2-quiteinsane, gtkam-gimp, mtink, sane, xpcd-gimp, xsane Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: Needs removing, but needs the new gimp package to be ready for testing first to satisfy all the dependencies on libgimp1.2; and that's held up by perl right now, which is waiting on mips{,el} binaries (last build attempt on both archs failed). > trying: -gnome-core > skipped: -gnome-core (304 <- 34) > got: 48+0: a-48 > * alpha: galeon-nautilus, gnome-admin, gnome-media, ickle-gnome, libpanel-applet-ruby, nautilus, seti-applet Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: Replaced by meta-gnome2, which is also not yet ready for testing; it depends on gnucash, which has known serious portability problems. This could probably use some help from someone of a scheme-ish bent. There seems to be a sentiment that the FTBFS archs for gnucash should be dropped from the supported list, but there's reason to believe the bugs affect *all* archs even if the PRNG-using tests squeak by on some of them. > trying: -gnome-guile > skipped: -gnome-guile (305 <- 33) > got: 42+0: a-42 > * alpha: gwave Package: gwave Testing: 20020122-1 Unstable: 20020122-1 Bugs: 187829 Suggestion: remove-from-testing Analysis: Package depended on libguilegtk0, which has been removed from unstable and is therefore unmaintained in testing. The gwave package has a 5-month-old grave bug open about this issue, with no sign of resolution. > trying: -id3lib > skipped: -id3lib (306 <- 32) > got: 42+0: a-42 > * alpha: grip Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: I previously reported that grip had been rebuilt against the new library, but this turns out to *only* be the case on i386. Bug 212793 has been filed about this issue. > trying: -java-virtual-machine-dummy > skipped: -java-virtual-machine-dummy (307 <- 31) > got: 190+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-66 > * i386: jmeter, tomcat4, tomcat4-webapps Package: java-virtual-machine-dummy Testing: 0.3 Unstable: none Suggestion: yank-it-out-by-the-roots Analysis: These three packages are all in contrib, and the dependency should therefore be ignorable. (java-virtual-machine-dummy is also the last in a list of dependency-satisfying alternatives for the packages.) > trying: -jsboard > skipped: -jsboard (308 <- 30) > got: 194+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-70 > * i386: jsboard-theme-aicom-ko, jsboard-theme-debian-ko, jsboard-theme-diary-en, jsboard-theme-diary-ko, jsboard-theme-trash-en, jsboard-theme-trash-ko, jsboard-theme-wizz-ko Package: jsboard-theme-aicom-ko, jsboard-theme-debian-ko, jsboard-theme-diary-en, jsboard-theme-diary-ko, jsboard-theme-trash-en, jsboard-theme-trash-ko, jsboard-theme-wizz-ko Testing: 0.5-1 Unstable: 0.5-1 Suggestion: remove-from-testing Analysis: Depend on a package we want to remove; these packages are not useful without jsboard itself. > trying: -kernel-image-2.2.20-i386 > skipped: -kernel-image-2.2.20-i386 (309 <- 29) > got: 190+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-66 > * i386: pcmcia-modules-2.2.20, pcmcia-modules-2.2.20-compact, pcmcia-modules-2.2.20-idepci Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: Per Joey Hess, these pcmcia modules packages are no longer useful; and indeed, the current version of pcmcia-cs doesn't include these binary packages. Should be in sync on all archs within a few days, at which point kernel-image-2.2.20-i386 will drop out on its own. > trying: -kernel-image-2.4.20-3-i386 > skipped: -kernel-image-2.4.20-3-i386 (310 <- 28) > got: 208+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-84 > * i386: alsa-modules-2.4.20-3-386, alsa-modules-2.4.20-3-586tsc, alsa-modules-2.4.20-3-686, alsa-modules-2.4.20-3-686-smp, alsa-modules-2.4.20-3-k6, alsa-modules-2.4.20-3-k7, alsa-modules-2.4.20-3-k7-smp, i2c-2.4.20-3-386, i2c-2.4.20-3-586tsc, i2c-2.4.20-3-686, i2c-2.4.20-3-686-smp, i2c-2.4.20-3-k6, i2c-2.4.20-3-k7, i2c-2.4.20-3-k7-smp, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-3-386, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-3-586tsc, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-3-686, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-3-686-smp, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-3-k6, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-3-k7, linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-3-k7-smp No one has indicated that the alsa, i2c, and linux-wlan-ng modules should also be disposed of. The alsa-modules-i386 package, at least, has been updated in sid to match the available kernels, and is now merely in testing purgatory. i2c has been updated in unstable, but is already out-of-date again wrt the kernels it supports. > trying: -kernel-source-2.2.20 > skipped: -kernel-source-2.2.20 (311 <- 27) > got: 188+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-64 > * i386: kernel-patch-2.2.20-powerpc Package: kernel-patch-2.2.20-powerpc Testing: 2.2.20-3 Unstable: 2.2.20-3 Suggestion: remove-from-testing, remove-from-unstable Analysis: Bug 212953 has already been filed requesting removal of this package from the archive, since it's no longer needed for the powerpc port. > trying: -kgeo > skipped: -kgeo (312 <- 26) > got: 188+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-64 > * i386: junior-kde > trying: -kstars > skipped: -kstars (313 <- 25) > got: 188+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-64 > * i386: junior-kde Package: junior-kde Testing: 1.1 Unstable: 1.1 Suggestion: remove-from-testing Analysis: The new kdeedu package that provides both kgeo and kstars is out of sync in unstable, and has been since Jun 5. In the meantime, the old versions of these packages are helping to hold up the removal of various old KDE libs as well. The junior-kde package can be removed from testing to clean this up, or we can wait for kdeedu to be installable in testing. > trying: -libapache-mod-perl > skipped: -libapache-mod-perl (314 <- 24) > got: 46+0: a-46 > * alpha: axkit, libapache-authensmb, libapache-db-perl, libapache-request-perl, logtrend-visuapache Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: In unstable, libapache-mod-perl comes from the apache source package, which currently has two RC bugs (209276, 207453) that are being worked on. > trying: -libmime-base64-perl > skipped: -libmime-base64-perl (315 <- 23) > got: 42+0: a-42 > * alpha: sympa Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: sympa is out of date on hppa due to the glibc problems there. There is an RC bug on sympa which may or may not still be applicable -- and may or may not even affect the version currently in testing. Have followed up to the bug, but otherwise think this is a wait-and-see for the moment. > trying: -librsvg > skipped: -librsvg (316 <- 22) > got: 46+0: a-46 > * alpha: galeon-nautilus, libeel-dev, libeel0, libnautilus-dev, nautilus Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: Just as eel is superseded by eel2, this package has been superseded by librsvg2, and is waiting for the same reason. > trying: -libweakref-perl > skipped: -libweakref-perl (317 <- 21) > got: 193+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-69 > * i386: libxml-twig-perl, libxmltv-perl, libxtm-perl, xmltv, xmltv-gui, xmltv-util Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: Removed from unstable, can't be removed from testing until a few more packages are brought up to date (e.g., perl). > trying: -medusa > skipped: -medusa (318 <- 20) > got: 45+0: a-45 > * alpha: galeon-nautilus, libnautilus-dev, libnautilus0, nautilus Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: Removed from unstable, caught up in the whole nautilus chain. > trying: -orp > skipped: -orp (319 <- 19) > got: 188+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-64 > * i386: orp-classpath Package: orp-classpath Testing: 1:0.02.1-3 Unstable: 1:0.02.1-3 Suggestion: remove-from-testing Analysis: When requesting orp's removal, Colin wrote, "Note that orp-classpath depends on this, but is obviously useless itself with a broken orp." > trying: -pd > skipped: -pd (320 <- 18) > got: 42+0: a-42 > * alpha: gem Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: Package renamed to 'puredata' in unstable, and should propagate into testing soon; gem, however, is being held out of testing by a FTBFS on alpha (and possibly another one on hppa, though the hppa buildd doesn't seem to have attempted the latest version of this package). Bug #212003 has been filed for the alpha failure. > trying: -php4 > skipped: -php4 (321 <- 17) > got: 47+0: a-47 > * alpha: apl, php-cgiwrap, php-imlib, php4-apc, php4-dbase, php4-dbtcp, php4-gd2, php4-mcrypt, snui-server Package: php4 Suggestion: don't-remove-from-testing Analysis: Obviously, php4 is resisting removal. Given that it's not coming out, the original motivation for trying to remove it no longer applies, and it's better to focus again on getting the newer version of the package into testing. > trying: -pike > skipped: -pike (322 <- 16) > got: 44+0: a-44 > * alpha: libroxen-floatingcode, libroxen-form, roxen Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: Now provided by pike7.2 source package in unstable, which is waiting only for caudium to be built on all architectures. As soon as s390 packages are uploaded, this can be hinted in. > trying: -pike7 > skipped: -pike7 (323 <- 15) > got: 189+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-65 > * i386: roxen2, roxen2-ssl Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: In bug 166311, the roxen2 maintainer admits that this package is "dead upstream". I've followed up to point out it is now uninstallable in sid, asking whether these packages should be shipped with sarge. > trying: -pspell > skipped: -pspell (324 <- 14) > got: 42+0: a-42 > * alpha: sylpheed-claws Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: The sylpheed-claws package has already been rebuilt against aspell in sid, and is waiting on the python2.3 transition. Should resolve itself in due course. > trying: -quicktime4linux > skipped: -quicktime4linux (325 <- 13) > got: 195+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-71 > * i386: fbtv, motv, scantv, streamer, ttv, webcam, xawtv, xawtv-plugins Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: The list of uninstallable packages seem to all point back to xawtv-plugins, which depended on libquicktime4linux0 in testing. The version of xawtv in unstable is, in turn, waiting for the new version of libquicktime to be current on all archs before it propagates into testing. The build failures on s390/arm appear to be caused by toolchain problems, not package bugs. > trying: -ruby > skipped: -ruby (326 <- 12) > got: 87+0: a-87 > * alpha: eruby, libapache-mod-ruby, libdb-ruby, libdb2-ruby, libdb3-ruby, libdb4.1-ruby, libdbd-sqlite-ruby, libeb-ruby, liberuby, liberuby-dev, libexif-ruby, libfam-ruby, libgd-ruby, libgdk-imlib-ruby, libgdk-pixbuf-ruby, libglade-ruby, libgnome-ruby, libgtk-ruby, libiconv-ruby, libintl-gettext-ruby, libkakasi-ruby, libldap-ruby, libmysql-ruby, libpanel-applet-ruby, libpcap-ruby, libpgsql-ruby, libsdl-ruby, libshadow-ruby, libstrscan-ruby, libsufary-ruby, libtmail-ruby, libuconv-ruby, libvorbisfile-ruby, libwidestudio-dev, libwidestudio-ruby, libwrap-ruby, libxml-parser-ruby, libxmms-ruby, libzlib-ruby, mhc-utils, quantlib-ruby, racc-runtime, rubymagick, vim-ruby, widestudio, xmlrpc4r Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: eruby has been rebuilt against libruby1.8, but has build failures on two archs. libapache-mod-ruby has also been rebuilt, but has a build failure on powerpc (and is waiting on apache). Others still need rebuilding against libruby1.8. Since ruby1.8 is current in testing, this looks fairly parallelizable; I'll go through and file bugs on any packages that haven't yet been bugged about it. > trying: -suidmanager > skipped: -suidmanager (327 <- 11) > got: 42+0: a-42 > * alpha: amavis-ng-milter-helper Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: The amavis-ng package is uninstallable on two archs due to the absence of an arj package there, which keeps the suidmanager-less package out of testing. Bug #213024 has been filed for this. > trying: -uw-imap-ssl > skipped: -uw-imap-ssl (328 <- 10) > got: 45+0: a-45 > * alpha: php3-cgi-imap, php3-imap, php4-imap, postman Suggestion: wait-and-see Analysis: These packages have been rebuilt against uw-imap, but are waiting for that package to propagate into testing. This appears to be another dependency waiting game. > trying: -xanim > skipped: -xanim (329 <- 9) > got: 188+0: a-41:a-42:h-41:i-64 > * i386: tkxanim From <20030909053946.EFDF11C93D@laptop.nahmias.net>: Package: tkxanim Testing: 0.43-6 Unstable:0.43-6 Bugs: 208373 Suggestion: remove-from-testing, remove-from-unstable Analysis: This package contains a Tcl/Tk interface to xanim. xanim was removed from unstable because it was a long time orphaned non-free app that has since been replaces/superceded by xine. As this package is useless without xanim, there doesn't seem much of a point keeping it around. N.B. tkxanim is the only reverse-dep on xanim; so after it is removed, both can/should be removed from testing. Bug 212076 has been filed on ftp.debian.org requesting this removal. > trying: -xerces > skipped: -xerces (330 <- 8) > got: 45+0: a-45 > * alpha: libapache-mod-xslt, libxalan1.2, libxalan1.2-dev, xalan > trying: -xerces20 > skipped: -xerces20 (331 <- 7) > got: 42+0: a-42 > * alpha: libxml-xerces-perl These two will hopefully be taken care of tomorrow; requires some hinting to get xalan, icu, and all three versions of xerces to go through at once. Additionally, these packages have already been removed from testing, and can probably be reconsidered as candidates going the other way: haddock ndtpd mirrordir cwcdr ecartis mantis elvis sourcenav chicken gdis pydb gnome-pilot gnome-pilot-conduits solfege grap motioneye tora docbook-jrefentry fenris thoughttracker multi-gnome-terminal ferret gnome-pim netjuke eglade ncps jbofihe siege-ssl root-portal dancer-ircd boot-floppies gnews uae kernel-patch-ttl realtimebattle j-cvsbook vold objc-poc innovation3d-plugins xtend Many of these packages will still be held out of testing for other reasons (RC bugs, out-of-date on some architectures). These packages should probably be manually kept out of testing for a while due to the nature of historic brokenness: animals gamix ibm-jdk1.1-installer zope-ldap oops I've requested removal from unstable for this package: bnc -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer
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