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Nathanael Nerode <neroden@twcny.rr.com> writes:

> Arnaud Vandyck wrote:
>> Thanks, note that with this package in main, I'm able to move two other
>> java packages to main... and with these two, more (and more, and
>> more...) ;-)
>> http://java.debian.net/index.php/MovingJavaToMain
> May I ask how you're dealing with the architecture coordination problem? 
> Otherwise all the java packages are probably going to have lots of trouble
> getting into 'testing'.  :-(

I now focus on my packages and if you see I'm an uploader of kaffe, it's
a mistake. Some said I tried to hi-jack the package and after that, I
did not touch the package anymore. There is a lot of things to do with
my package and with the project I did propose: 'moving java to main'

Also, I'm working on GNUJAXP (I'm on of the upstream maintainer) to get
transformation (xslt). I can now say that it's finished. So the next
thing is to have a working javadoc alternative (gjdoc) fully in main (I
think it will be done before the end of the next week).

I'm not telling you the story of my life, but I also have some other
plans for java, free java and free java in debian. The main thing I can
tell is that I'm thinking about integrating native compiled java
programs in Debian. AFAIK, Only RedHat/Fedora do this (but they are at
the source! A lot of RedHat devs are working on gcj). If we can do this,
we'll be one of the few operating system (not just linux distribution!)
to be able to ship java applications/libraries compiled to native!

> Kaffe currently builds only for i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc (but is still
> uploaded as an 'any' package).  It would probably be better to upload it as
> a restricted-architecture package for the time being, so that new kaffe
> could get into testing.  Ean Schuessler has mysteriously been unwilling to
> do this.

Mr President has other mysterious willings... In the last kaffe upload I
made (kaffe (2:1.1.4-2) see the changelog[1]), I did change the
architecture to i386 and powerpc because at this moment, it was the only
two arches that build. I also filed a bug against ftp.debian.org to
remove the out dated builds (#235808), the next plan was to downgrade
the severity of your FTBFS bugs (#227739, #227740, #227741, #227742,
#227744, #227745, #227746)... wait some days and have kaffe in
testing. Next, I'd upload regular patches from CVS to try to re-build
kaffe for *any* arches.

I spent a lot of time (too much time) to help with kaffe in debian. I
have been flamed by Ean[2] (but look at the changelog and the
debian-java archives you'll be able to make your own opinion). I asked
him to set up something to collaborate[3]... nothing really happen, so I
setup a mailing list on Alioth[4], we are both on the project, but Mr
President did not subscribe (Alioth has been down and so on), so I did
subscribe him! You can follow some tentative to have a CVS repository
for co-maintaining kaffe[5]... Mr President wants to set up something he
has more control over who is subscribed and who can commit. Also note
that Mr President does not want to collaborate in a project he is not an
admin! The best thing with all the whistles is that now, doogie takes
care of kaffe! Thanks to him.

> gij-3.3 works (to some extent) for alpha, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, m68k,
> powerpc, s390, sparc (not mips, mipsel).

Yep, also, note that I sent some bugs to sablevm (on irc or on the list)
to improve it, and SableVM is still in testing! So we have two others
free alternative to kaffe. Maybe it's a way to have the java packages in

> If you want to get stuff into 'testing' which depends on one or the other
> (only), I hope you have a plan for it.  (It seems that any package which
> works on *both* kaffe and gij is currently OK for all architectures, which
> is nice.)

The three free VM's (sablevm, kaffe, gij) are based on classpath. So
something that works with one of the VM _should_ work on others (there
are some differences but the vast majority should be fine).

Thanks for pointing me that. I'll set up free VM's alternatives to my
packages, but I also have to talk to Stefan Gybas about the debian-java
policy on the java libraries.

Nathanael, I also wanna thank you for your work on the RC-bugs and
reviewing the packages and bugs. Please continue doing this job, we
really need it and you do it fine.

Many thanks,


[1] http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kaffe/news/2.html
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/debian-devel-200403/msg00113.html
[3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-java/2004/debian-java-200403/msg00041.html
[4] http://lists.debian.org/debian-java/2004/debian-java-200403/msg00056.html
[5] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-java-kaffe/2004-March/000000.html

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