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Re: Status of Python at the early devel stage of Wheezy



Hi Sandro.  Of course, as you know I do not (yet :) have upload rights, but I
do want to help move this along in any way possible.  My schedule will be
insane until after the Python conference though, and I sure could use some
guidance in being more productive in Debian.

(BTW, are any debian-python folks going to be at Pycon?  I'd love to meet up.)

In any case, here are my thoughts.

On Feb 28, 2011, at 08:14 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote:

>- python policy is severely outdated; the last update was done right
>after the freeze (not the most happy timing I think). after that,
>nothing (it still advertises to use XB-Python-Version...)

Scott has already talked about updating this.

>- we are "vividly encouraged" (it's not yet "forced" but we're coming
>to it) to use a new helper (dh_python2) which until a bunch of days
>ago haven't a manpage, still misses a howto doc to correctly use it
>for a new package, and shows it's young age with several
>bugs/misbehavior. We all want a single helper, and we want it to work,
>don't we? What's the status then?

One of the things I want to get back to, is working on dh_python2.  I started
a branch that added a bunch of unit tests, more documentation, etc. but I
didn't get too far.  It's still on my todo list and I will hopefully have
something Piotr can look at after Pycon.  I would definitely like to help make
dh_python2 more robust, well-tested, and well-documented.

>- no clear guide to provide python3-* packages. Several times already
>it was asked before, but still nothing. dh_python3 might be also quite
>unstable changing it's interface/behavior quickly, and so what's left
>is trying to look at what others are doing, and adapt it to the
>current package: that's not how I want it, that's not how a tool
>should be released.

I haven't looked at dh_python3 as much, but I would also like to help
stabilize it.

>Call me provocative, call me idiot - I don't care. What I'm simply
>saying is that Python is going nowhere, and there's very few signals
>of improvements.

I think it's good for you to keep up the pressure.  I think we know where we
want to go, and it's just a matter of freeing up the cycles to make it
happen.  As I said, I am willing to help, but realistically won't have much
time until after Pycon.

Cheers,
-Barry

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