On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 02:15:36PM -0400, David Prévot wrote: > > I just noticed (gmane seems to not work anymore for -announce) that > - -announce is not only used for “*Important*announcements* Major news and > very important changes in the project.” [1], anymore but is also used > for “*Debian*News*[…]*and*otherwise* General news about the distribution > and the project.” [2]: artwork contest [3], BSPs [4] and New machine [5] > are definitely not -announce material. > > 1: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/ > 2: http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/ > 3: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2012/msg00002.html > 4: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2012/msg00003.html > 5: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2012/msg00004.html > > I'm a bit disappointed that such change on our mailing lists usage came > up without a proper public discussion, or at least a public statement > about it. Yes. You're right about it and I apologize with you all for this: it was my initiative, after having read a mail in which Alexander Reichle-Schmel asked if any of us remembered why we don't use debian-news Mailing List for DPN only and debian-announce for or the other announcements. I thought it could be a good idea to rationalize the use of the two mailing lists used for press/publicity announcements and, as no-one objected in the press team, I started using -news only for DPN and -announce for all the announcements. I didn't think it could have such an impact, since David noted it on IRC. (So: thank you David for the heads up) > > As a user, I was pretty happy with a low traffic -announce that allowed > me to be aware of major changes (as a new stable release or point > release), and I used to advise other users to subscribe to it (or its > localized equivalent). Now that its purpose changed, I'm not so sure > anymore about its value. AFAICT, in the past, debian-announce was used for announcement of a certain importance (as new releases, releases updates, eol of oldstable, etc) while debian-news for all the rest. This was not a rule carved in the stone, but just a praxis. I agree with the fact that is important to provide people a low-traffic mailing list with major changes regarding the release. My question is: aren't debian-security-announce and debian-stable-announce enough for it? Point releases are also announced on debian-stable-announce (see, [1] for instance), and on debian-security-announce we had recently the reminder for the EOL of Lenny (see [2]). I'm not against continuing with the old way, but I'd really like to understand if it's possible to rationalize things and avoid to duplicate efforts. Note also that with the soon-to-come blog.debian.org we will probably decide to publish some minor news only there, and this will make -announce probably lighter than now. [...] > Maybe should we change the description of the list > and prepare an announcement about it anyway if we decide to push all > - -news material in -announce… Yup, agree on it. I just didn't think of creating such a mess ;). But sure, let's talk about it and decide! Cheers, Francesca ps: in the meanwhile, I'll send announcement and DPN in the old way (just the last one I did a mess, and send it on -announce even if I wanted to send on -news) [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/2012/01/msg00000.html [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2011/msg00238.html -- "Nostra patria è il mondo intero e nostra legge è la libertà ed un pensiero ribelle in cor ci sta." P.Gori
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