Re: Please review content squeeze release announement
On 2011-02-03 04:46, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
OK, but is there a full list of "limits"? Why is it called a
"technical/technology preview"? I don't call a software a preview
because it doesn't have all the features I wish it had.
Am 02.02.2011 23:22, schrieb Filipus Klutiero:
Debian 6.0<q>Squeeze</q> introduces technical
"technical/technology preview" is not clear to me. Is the meaning
explained anywhere? I don't find it in the release notes.
We currently have at the end of that paragraph: "However, for this
release these new ports are limited; for example, some advanced desktop
features are not yet supported."
Thanks. I was in a hurry yesterday and although 3 new packages in 2
years seemed little, nothing else quickly came to mind. I checked your
list but didn't notice many more. 2 are particularly interesting for me:
1. The Eclipse IDE, although it's 1 major version behind upstream (3.5
2. The Zend PHP framework, although also 1 major version behind upstream
(1.10 vs 1.11.2)
Debian 6.0 includes over 10,000 new packages like the browser Chromium,
the monitoring solution Icinga, the package management frontend Software
Center, the network manager wicd, the Linux container tools lxc or the
cluster framework corosync.
Wow, lots of stuff I never heard about here. I'm wondering about the
notability of corosync, lxc and Icinga. Icinga doesn't even have an
article on the English Wikipedia.
Well, feel free to propose better packages.
has a diff between the source (!) packages between lenny and squeeze.
Disclaimer: I'm a PHP web application developer, and don't have any of
these packages installed as Debian packages. I'm pretty sure Eclipse
deserves inclusion, but not so sure for zendframework. At least, they're
both mature applications covered in Wikipedia.
Here is relevant popcon data (in installs) :
Wouldn't it be nice to have the percentage of *squeeze* installs with
these? :-) And a popcon ranking of packages introduced in squeeze...? :-)
Hum, in this case I really think mentioning 10 000 new packages without
mentioning the 4000 removals is unfair.
There also seems to be a math problem. [..]
Yes, ~4000 packages have been removed. See
I don't really agree. It's true that users don't directly use source
packages. But if you want to compare 2 distributions according to the
number of package they contain, then I think users do care about the
*number of* source packages, more than the number of binary packages
anyway. For example, chromium-browser has 4 binary packages, but the
announcement just mentions the Chromium browser. Usually a source
packages has several packages for modularity, disk size or even more
technical reasons and users really would just care about the source
package being there are not. There are some exceptions, like
iceweasel-l10n, where some users will like to see a new binary package
meaning a translation in their language, but in general, users count the
addition of Chromium as one new package, not 4. If a journalist was to
pick a single number, he would be really misguided to consider the
binary packages. The Debian Project News shows that; the section on new
packages, although it actually shows binary packages if I'm not
mistaken, is filtered from the list of new binary package to basically
represent the list of new source packages.
Or, I suggest just talking about the number of source packages.
No, source packages are not interesting for users and journalists.