On Monday, February 21, 2022 1:05:04 PM EST Russ Allbery wrote: > Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> writes: > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 9:38 AM Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> wrote: > >> Then you need to start taking responsibility for creating conflict when > >> there was none, which is sadly something I see as a recurring pattern > >> in the way you participate in Debian interactions. > >> > >> Is this something you'd acknowledge and would be willing to work on? > > > > This, too, is a projection. > > > > I did not address Steve. He wrote to me. > > I don't think that's what Enrico is talking about. I think he's talking > about the way that you attacked me in response to a message in which I was > expressing support and sympathy for your position, based on a > misunderstanding of my message and what looked to me like an assumption of > bad faith. This is also not the first time that you've done this to both > me and others, you have never apologized, and you seem to be intent on > continuing to do that with me and others at random intervals instead of > extending a presumption of good faith and trying to find a non-hostile > reading of other people's words. > > My phrasing doubtless could have been better or clearer. It always can > be. But you can ask questions rather than making assumptions! > > When you do this and then, a few messages later, talk about how you think > Debian should have a warm and inclusive culture of compromise, it's quite > frustrating and confusing. If your goal is to create a warm and inclusive > culture, please start by not assuming other people are trying to attack > you. Right now, you are doing exactly what Enrico described: creating > conflict where there was none. Persons in authority demanding public self-shaming and self-criticism isn't precisely deescalatory. I don't think asking someone who's been traumatized by something to act is if they were someone who had never experienced the trauma is fair. If your goal is to run him out of the project, then you all should continue. If not, I'd suggest drop it because I don't think anyone is in a particularly constructive frame of mind on this point. Scott K
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