Hiya, On 26/12/19 3:15 am, Jonathan Carter wrote: > On 2019/12/24 20:08, John Goerzen wrote: > <snip> >> But at the same time, I feel that the project as a whole isn't really >> taking this problem very seriously. > That is true, probably mostly because many people don't really > understand that there is a problem. The NEW queue waits are tough, but > there are also the following which are also often in serious need of > attention: > > * Patches attached to bug reports > * Request for sponsorships > * Merge requests > > Energy put into all areas like that end up paying for itself because it > helps energize and attract new contributors. Seconded; a hard agree. > <snip> > > I think many will agree with you that we should do better in all those > areas, especially the NEW queue, but change is difficult and in itself > takes time. In a commercial setting it would probably be easier to > create incentives to motivate staff to do more review kind of work, but > I suppose in Debian it's seen as somewhat unglamorous work and we don't > have many methods to incentivise contributors. I wish we had a workaround over it. Perhaps I'd be happy to see more people getting involved in reviewing/processing uploads from the queue. Would the FTP team be willing to expand? Though I don't see a problem in it, whatsoever. > In particular I think it's important to support events like bug > squashing parties because it's one of the few things that we can do, and > encourage things like patch reviews, sponsoring and NEW queue reviews at > these events and maybe even thank all the people who participate in > these on a monthly basis in bits from Debian so that maybe this work can > be highlighted more as something that we do value and might encourage > more people to get involved there. Oh, right. I have seen a lot of reports and the amazing work that the teams do during the sprints (and otherwise). But I see a lack of sponsored uploads for others and other things. Maybe it's time we also (but strongly) focus on NEW queue reviews and sponsoring uploads? Best, Utkarsh
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