I can certainly relate to your frustration. Also with Plasma certain
things are broken, like some applications that use Qt WebEngine, IMHO
partly due to only a few people dedicating their time to do all the
packaging for Qt/KDE, which is a lot, a huge lot of work.
Marc Munro - 23.07.19, 03:22:
> I didn't want to hate systemd but stuff that had worked forever, like
> restarting gdm from the command line, hasn't worked for me since
> systemd appeared. And what used to be a simple matter of creating a
> service by creating a script and putting in a symlink into a runlevel
> directory, is now apparently beyond my level of skill to make work.
Just for this I like to tell you that I run Debian with Plasma without
systemd for months already. Due to the awesome work of the init
diversity team this is almost trivial.
It just works although I did some manual steps to start pulseaudio and
for work from services needed for Evolution¹. But I bet you'd call that:
 Using https://git.devuan.org/WIP-init/user-services
This is work in progress and I already like to redesign it for it to be
a frontend for runit and others… *both* user wide and system wide. But
it works and I am lazy too and have other important activities.
And yes, I am still running Debian on my laptop, not Devuan. Partly
because I maintain a Debian package and partly to be able to provide bug
reports to Debian.
I run Devuan with eudev on my server VMs. Even without dbus as its not
required, not even for the Qt based service quasselcore.
I am deep gratitude, fully knowing that with Debian there would be no
Devuan. Looking at the alternatives, it could either be some BSD, like
DragonFlyBSD… or… well I am not sure whether there are many Linux
distros out there which meet the high standard Debian adheres to.
Or someone would look at all the operating systems out there, take the
best of each one and drop anything else… I miss the simplicity back in
AmigaOS times where I knew the purpose of every single file of the
Computers for me are still there to serve humanity, instead of having
their own policies – even if it is just the policies some developers put
into it. I can certainly relate to: "It has to do what I tell it to"
instead of "It knows better than me". It has no business to know better
than me, ever. Period. The library for the graphical environment of
AmigaOS was called intuition.library for a reason.
So if anything: It is easier to let go in gratitude!
And if there is hate… I strongly recommend to welcome it. Let it be
there. And let it dissolve all by itself.
- From: Marc Munro <firstname.lastname@example.org>