On Sat, 06 Jul 2019, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Sat, Jul 06, 2019 at 08:00:58PM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > But that is my personal mindset I am coming from. If such a mindset is > > outdated nowadays and not wanted anymore I offer to resign as a listmaster. > > I think there are two separate aspects here. One is the "mindset" you're > discussing here, which I'm positive is shared by most in the project. > Another is explicitly pushing back against the DPL, whose constitutional > roles include "Lead discussions amongst Developers", when he asks gently > to please stop a discussion. Sam wrote: "[listmaster copied in hopes they will agree with my assessment here]" That sentenced basically forced me to write a reply. Maybe, before presuming consense, the DPL should talk to the other teams. Otherwise it may happen that they don't agree. Without a reply everyone would expected that we agree, which is apparently not the case. > I'm sure that was not your intention, but to bystanders that gives the > feeling that you're undermining the DPL's authority, and gets in the way > of the DPL doing his constitutional job in this specific area. So, > personally, I'm torn here: I agree with your open discussion mindset, > but the main issue here was (as I understand it at least) of a different > nature. In fact I think the dpl is undermining the authority of the delegates when he acts in a way like that. We have a process for such things: people complain and we (the listmasters) act on those complaints. The DPL is still free to overwrite our decision afterwards if we don't agree with him. > No need to threaten resignation about this, I'm sure your work as > listmaster is still very much appreciated in the project (and certainly > it is appreciated by me). Thanks Alex
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