Hi,o On 16.06.2015 05:00, Sam Hartman wrote: >>>>>> "Dominik" == Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> writes: > > Dominik> On 08.06.2015 20:46, Florian Weimer wrote: > >> Google services are quite popular among the FLOSS crowd at large. > >> You might not see many Gmail posters on Debian mailing lists, but > >> this is increasingly an anomaly. > > Dominik> Which is, at best, a serious illness. > > I'm really frustrated reading this. I'd like to share my frustration in > hopes of seeking understanding and confirmation that we share the core > value of working with a diverse set of contributors. Sure. > > I hope Debian is a community that > can respect a diverse set of needs and beliefs. Yes and no. AFAIAC, and in reference to the term „serious illness“ I used, I think of it in the following way: a) NEEDS ======== If our contributors NEED features that only Google, or the like, can provide, then the serious illness lies in that we, the FOSS community, obvioulsy failed to provide something comparable or even better. b) BELIEF ========= If any Debian contributor BELIEVES that the use of Google, and the like, is a good thing, then the illness lies in the divergence between their contribution and their values, and in that case, I honestly do NOT respect that and consider it harmful. I really also see a strong imbalance between various parts of the project. On the one hand, there is a non-free section that holds non-free software, ready to be installed by users at will. Then, there is you (and probably others) argumenting in favour of placing everyday communication in the hands of companies which are proven to not respect freedom. But on the other hand, we do care a lot about CDM/EME being stripped out of the Firefox code just because some people do not like DRM (neither do I, but if it is ok to route our *global* communication through Google, why isn't it ok to route my *local* streaming through CDM code, and not even leaving that decision up to me? Really - please fight for freedom on all ends, or at least align your views about accepting non-freedom on all ends. -nik
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