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Re: Why discussions don't move from debian-private

On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:01:27PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org> writes:

> > Someone complained about a lengthy off-topic discussion taking place on
> > debian-private, and suggested to move it to a public mailing list.

> A follow-up to this.  In response to the question of why so many threads
> start on debian-private in the first place, I proposed the following two
> explanations:

> * debian-private does not contain irritating trolls.

While this may indeed be a motivation for some, I absolutely disagree with
that assessment.  debian-private suffers from the problem that unlike every
other mailing list our project uses, new members are autosubscribed to it
when they clear the NM queue.  As a result, it's perpetually beset by people
who have long since stopped being active in more appropriate project
discussion forums but who don't have the good sense to (or can't figure out
how to) unsubscribe from -private.

We should stop autosubscribing new project members to -private and leave it
to them to figure out the db.debian.org subscription interface.  And we
should mass unsubscribe everyone currently on there and let them find their
own way back.

>   That means that some discussions can be had more easily on
>   debian-private, or at least with less frustration and annoyance, because
>   the audience who can talk is restricted to people who have some
>   investment in the project.

In practice I think the level of ongoing investment implied is very low.

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek@ubuntu.com                                     vorlon@debian.org

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