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Re: Should mailing list bans be published?

expanding on this point of the OP,

On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
- It provides a reference point for newcomers to the Debian
  community to judge their actions by, to understand what kinds of
  things will get them banned from participation (although I expect
  few of the people who need such guidance will actually take
  advantage of it...)

and regarding the counterproposal below,

On Sat, 26 Oct 2013, Bart Martens wrote:
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 10:46:41AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
What do the rest of you think?

I suggest we keep things civil, with respect for the persons involved.  It's
really not up to Debian to harm someone's reputation, and that could reflect
bad on Debian's reputation.

Approaches I could support :
- post the bans with reasons on debian-private
- or maintain a list of bans with reasons in a text file on a Debian machine
 where DDs can read this info.

if bans and their rationales are not posted publicly, potential
ban-candidates cannot read them, and cannot learn from others'

so withholding this information from ban-candidates weakens their
ability to make informed decisions, regarding what is out of bounds on
debian's mailing lists.

and so, withholding this information from ban-candidates *decreases*
their own share of responsibility for getting banned, when they do.

and, arguably, it is the withholder of that information (i.e. debian)
which shoulders that relieved responsibility, instead.

i have no argument against the proposition that it is not up to debian
to manage others' reputations.  but making bans and their rationales
public, as proposed by OP, might make it easier for a ban-candidate to
manage their own.

thinking out loud,

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