[Moving this to -project]|
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 05:37:18PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote: > Technically the DAM has the ability to act to remove a DD (per Debian > Constitution 8.1 item 2), but the information I can gather so far seems to > indicate that the DAM won't expell a DD for disciplanary problems. FWIW, that is not correct. There have been other cases of member expulsions for, as you put it, "disciplinary" reasons, but for various good reasons not all of them are discussed publicly --- one thing is expelling a developer, another is putting that up to ever lasting public shaming on the web.
I don't disagree with you and the follow-up from Chris on this. However, I see a false dichotomy between keeping [some] expulsions secret and "publicly advertising" expulsions, or "public shaming". The missing option is very simple - for example, I don't advertise that I finished high school, but I won't hide that to anyone who asks me. We can publicly discuss expulsions without maintaining a members expulsion list.
Let's assume all expulsions were rightful to simplify this discussion. If a member is expelled and we publicly confirm that, there are definitely costs for that member. But there are also benefits; not only will any mistreated contributor have his faith in the project partially restored, but:
The question here is far from Debian-specific. Ongoing technological advances have great impacts on reputation. Society as a whole has to evolve:
I am far from knowledgeable on psychology and mental illness, but
I hope this member has recovered today, and the impact of an
organization finding out about his behavior may be much more
severe for him than an organization finding out about a softer
case of expulsion, say one mostly caused by immaturity. If that
individual was to approach Debian admitting having suffered from
mental illness and requesting evidence of his actions to be
removed, I'd be sensible to his request. On the other hand, it may
be that the best solution is for the expelled individual to
disclose his health status as much as possible. I suppose people
more knowledgeable in social sciences could have a more informed
answer than mine.