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Re: Diversity statement for the Debian Project

On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 09:17:03PM +0200, "Steffen Möller" wrote:
> Hello,
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:43:46 -0400
> > Von: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net>
> > An: Philip Hands <phil@hands.com>
> > CC: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net>, debian-project@lists.debian.org
> > Betreff: Re: Diversity statement for the Debian Project
> > On Sun, Apr 01, 2012 at 11:59:01AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> > > On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:07:33 -0400, Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > If we say we accept people of all races or that we dont discriminate
> > > > based on race, then we are not the ones who are going to discriminate,
> > > > and this is a good thing and is welcoming.
> > > 
> > > Well, except for the fact that by saying that one is reinforcing the
> > > notion that race means something useful, which it really doesn't.
> > 
> > In an ideal world, none of this would matter. Alas, we do not live in that
> > place.
> Not in RL, but from the Debian packaging perspective, I think we are at least
> very very close to such idealism and the only race conditions we have are
> very technical and are reported as bugs already. 

race conditions are more of an issue for upstart or systemd or similar.

> I am with Philip and suggest to postpone discussions about racial
> discrimination 

The discussion at hand is not about determining who can contribute to debian
based upon aspects of identity. It is about creating an atmostphere where
people look at the signals and signs that debian transmits and they get an
impression that Debian will welcome them. 

What does this[0] do with respect to who codes on Android?  What does it signal
when at Debconf (and other conferences) they include t-shirts that fit women?
What does it say when a woman goes to a conference and they dont have such
t-shirts? It signals who they expect to join them and who should not.

> until we have an issue within Debian

If you look at the statistical makeup of the humans that contribute and examine
the components of identity that they consider themselves, you'll find lots of
people who would be male, hetronormative, american/european, caucasian humans.
If you think that this group is who you wish to be in the majority, then there is
no issue and no action is required. 

>  or with those redistributing our packages. If you refer to an unequal
>  distribution of our distribution in the world, to me the answer is about
>  helping our marketing, or help some team building somewhere as a seed/bridge
>  into a remote community.

The location of where digital bits are stored is of no concern for the purpose
of this statement. 

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