DEP5: Please drop requirement of stripped source being mentioned in Source:

[Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk>]

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 09:23:45AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:56:17AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
> > I do not, however, agree with sneaking in additional requirements in 
> > that field:
> >
> > >+     which is mainly the case for native Debian packages. If the upstream
> > >+     source has been modified to remove non-free parts, that should be
> > >+     explained in this field.
> >
> > In previous discussions we decided, I believe, to *not* decide on 
> > specific handling of source removal.

Arrgh, I was wrong:

http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/1285171707.6931.36.camel@havelock

I did not oppose to anything in the previous message, and didn't verify 
the actual commit.

I have no interest in reinventing debian/watch as previously discussed 
back then: machine-extractable source URL.

My interest - which I suspect I failed explaining Russ at 
http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/87sk1bllt9.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu
is the benefit of machine-extractable excluded files.

No, I do not consider it "simplicity" nor "More detailed specification 
for documenting mechanical rules of transformations could wait" to 
_require_ documenting stripped source in the Source: field.


Machine-extractable excluded files is usable to get from pristine source 
(using e.g. debian/watch file) to DFSG-free source (e.g. in 
get-orig-source target).

...and to double-check during build that no files claimed removed 
actually exist in source.

The first is done today in CDBS-implemented get-orig-source target, but 
using hints in debian/rules.

DEP-5 allows additional unofficial fields.  So I am allowed to do as 
this (from the bitcoin package currently pending ftpmaster approval):


Format: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/dep/web/deps/dep5.mdwn?rev=162
Upstream-Name: Bitcoin
Upstream-Contact: Satoshi Nakamoto <satoshin@gmx.com>
Source: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/
Copyright: 2009-2010, Bitcoin Developers
License: Expat

Files-Excluded: bin/*
Comment: source-less binaries

Files-Excluded: src/cryptopp/*
Comment: unneeded external project sources

Files: src/json/*
Copyright: 2007-2009, John W. Wilkinson
License: Expat

...


...except I am now forced to *duplicate* those excluded files in a 
non-machine-extractable format inside the Source: field due to that 
recent "simplification".  Or continue to duplicate that info across 
debian/copyright and debian/rules as done in the lack of DEP5.



> > Your proposed patch makes it mandatory to mention in Source: and 
> > would thus force me to either violate current DEP5 or duplicate data.
> >
> > Please leave out that sentence until we have properly discussed how 
> > to officially handle stripped source.
>
> I also dislike this sentence, but it is in the current DEP, so I 
> thought it is out of scope to remove it with the patch I proposed.


Sorry, you are right, and I hijacked your subthread for the wrong 
reason.  I have renamed to try limit the damage.


- Jonas

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