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Re: Proposed changes to the Debian Machine Usage Policy (DMUP)

On May 3, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:


Readding IMHO relevant quote for Alexanders Question:

* Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> [2010-05-03 10:45:59 CEST]:
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 09:55:31AM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote:
On 02.05.2010 16:45, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
the Debian Project Leader recently asked DSA in his delegation[1] to
fix a flaw in the current version of the DMUP, the fact that
expulsions are DAM's domain, and not our's.

Could you please explain, why this is a flaw?

I think that I should do that, but first let me quote the "Comments"
section of the delegation text, as it was precisely my attempt at
explaining that:

The first proposed limit to what can be changed by DSA is meant to fix
a "flaw" in the current text. Decisions over Debian membership are
already a responsibility of DAM and, especially considering the need
of changing the DMUP, it is better not to mix that responsibility with
DSA (as a paranoid mind can imagine DSA changing DMUP *precisely* to
have a specific developer expelled ...).  Note that this limit means
that the current DMUP text is outside the rules and should hence be
fixed ASAP.

Then I think Martin has a bit unfortunately worded his statement - it
sounds a bit that he thinks that expulsion should be DSA's domain. I
hope this is a misunderstanding, and the rest of the thread also looks
like expulsion should still be DAM's domain, account locking should be
DSA's domain.

Thanks for confirming that we only had a misunderstanding in several
parts here in advance!

So it seems like there are two processes here; expulsion and deletion. Expulsion is a political process, deletion is a technical process. One entity may have authority over the expulsion and another over the deletion. Am I right in assuming that the DAM is in charge of the expulsion process and the DSA is in charge of deletion?


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