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Re: On cadence and collaboration

On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 08:44:29PM +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> My expectation is that Debian will want to have more flexibility in how
> long the release is baked than Ubuntu would normally give itself. My
> hope is that we can agree on a GNOME and KDE version, and that Debian
> will thus benefit from all the work Ubuntu does on that and then have a
> few extra months (as many as deemed necessary) to bake it to Debian's
> satisfaction.

And you are willing to allow Ubuntu to release with outdated KDE and
outdated GNOME, frozen in Dezember, while both upstreams releasing
again in January? In the past, so I have been told, Ubuntu has let the
current versions slip into the April release, which would not be
possible if you were syncing with Debian.

Or do you expect that we would let new KDE and new GNOME into a
distribution frozen two months earlier to accomodate Ubuntu?

> The difference in our language is about the meaning of "freeze" in
> December. I think December is not about actually freezing, it's about
> reviewing and planning and looking for opportunities. Certainly, I think
> the Debian team will want to freeze some things very early (December!),
> but some maintainer teams may well be willing to commit to using
> something that will freeze a little later, especially if they can
> collaborate well with Ubuntu on those packages.

If you mean that Debian continues its staged freeze, starting with the
toolchain in December, followed by other stages and the last stage
including the desktop environments in february, do you seriously
expect us to release before October? That would be overly optimistic,
we're not that fast. And, even if we were that fast, Ubuntu LTS would
be on the market half a year earlier, giving Ubuntu a strong advantage
over Debian stable.

This still looks like marketing suicide for Debian to me.


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