Re: why privacy is mandatory
Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 04:46:56PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > > On Thu January 31 2008 9:35:08 am Richard Hecker wrote:
> [#debian-women on irc.oftc.net] is to be an entry point for women
to get involved in Debian development,
Before somebody even dares to battle male people who join that channel
I want to make one thing clear.
Women have a hard stand on the Internet, because some men are looking
for a girlfriend there and they dont respect a clear "no" from a woman
when she is not even interested in a polite and clean conversation.
I support women rights because I am an advocate of humanity.
But when you do a /whois on a person on IRC and join a channel that
is listed there because the channel sounds interesting to you, it might
happen that you are called a stalker in public and massive attacks
break lose. I hope everybody is able to see that the problem is not on
side of the person who does a /whois. Of course all who flame are just
aiming to protect that poor woman from a stalker. That situation is
growing out to the fact that useful IRC features are completely
Does that sound familiar to you from the daily politics news in your
country? Exactly. Problem solution totally out of line.
But some men prefer to talk to women because its more interesting to
learn about their point of view. Some men dont want to be constantly
challenged by other men about the bigger build logs, the best code or
the ultimate tool. Some men have the hope that the women they meet
have better social skills than men, that they can benefit from that.
Some men have the hope that the women they meet are more open minded.
Some men have the hope that the women they meet are not constantly
trying to appear cool and superior.
And please dont even try to lead a debate about feminism now.
I am just trying to give you an idea why not all men who are looking
for the attention of women are stalkers or sexist monsters.
And they dont have to be the other extreme, too. They dont have to be
submissive puppies to be welcome, right?
> the ops are cognizant of the impact that gender ratio has on its
> usefulness in furthering this goal.
So it was just politics that were not made visible?
And they have to be enforced in a violent way?
> We routinely ask men who aren't part of the Debian development
> community to leave the channel,
You speak as Debian Developer and Cannonical employee and you are not
truthfully speaking, Steve.
The first decision you and other responsible people have to take in
a transparent and honest way is, if you would like to have an open
community or a restrictive environment. When you made that decision
you need to take the proper actions.
But when you sell an open community to the people and do everything
behind the scenes to manipulate and restrict the way people are
communicating, then you do evil.
> I admit that the timing of the kickban was somewhat kneejerk on my part
Maybe because your private mission is to hunt the paddy.
And you do not only abuse your position and priviledges to battle a
person who is miles below your position and rank, you also manipulate
and play the cabal on me. Thats a tragedy.
But the following is addressed to all Debian Developers.
All I ever wanted was to be part of the debian community and contribute.
No matter where I was going on IRC and the mailing lists I was either
silent observer or even target of violent communication.
Thats very much frustrating when human rights apply to a piece of paper
that is used to represent a software license, but human rights do not
apply to all the people who use Debian and who care for Debian.
And I express all this in public not only to fight back and to try to
be accepted as the person who I am. I also think its about time that
somebody has the courage to name a massive problem, while you guys
claim that no Debian Developer will hide problems.
In the last years the lot of hostile attitude and the lot of violent
communication turned a lot of people into enemies. These people came
in peace like me. They were caring for the same goals like you.
But ego battles seemed more important than turning dedicated people
into advocates. For me that means that you dont understand the real
power of open source and free software movements.
As I need to learn to understand what makes me feel aggressive and why
it makes me feel aggressive to be able to deal with it as a person who
values positive ethics and human rights,
its also your duty to constantly do exactly that.
The higher your social status and the higher your priviledges, the more
I expect from you.