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Re: do all of MJRs subjects sound like they were ripped from the Daily Mail? [was: Re: Is debian profiting from forced child labour?]

On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 07:21:55PM +0000, Stephen Gran wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, MJ Ray said:
> > Also I assume Joerg Jaspert's reply is serious, even if I think it's
> > mistaken - if someone produced a CD of our distribution that did
> > globally-illegal activities by default and sold it labelled as
> > "official debian", I hope the project would act against them.  

> Why do you hope that?  What part of the DFSG leads you to believe we
> should?  And illegal in what jurisdiction?

The DFSG does not, and should not, control our licensing of the Debian

It is true that the DFSG and the Social Contract are the only principles for
which there is an a priori consensus in Debian[1].  I find it distasteful
that some people seem to use this very fact as an argument against taking
ethical stances as a project on matters unrelated to software licensing, as
if it's not even worth asking whether there are other points that we can
agree on as a community.  Indeed, I believe this attitude has contributed
significantly to the more dysfunctional aspects of the Debian community.

(In the present instance, I'm unconvinced that it's realistic for Debian to
police the entire clothing manufacturing process without drastically
limiting the number of vendors we license to, because so much of the
clothing industry /is/ an unethical mess; but it would be nice if we could
actually have that conversation, instead of setting up strawmen about
software licensing.)

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
vorlon@debian.org                                   http://www.debian.org/

[1] Er, in /theory/ there's a consensus about these principles, anyway!

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