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Re: Reforming the NM process

On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 08:33:02AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>         Often, in free software, just getting up and doing things is
>  far more successful than trying to talk other people  into doing the
>  work. 

I was kind of waiting for this response :)  Guess whether I have the
possibility of maintaining a network of buildd's for 11 archs, a
separate keyring, actions that have to be handled manually for
transitions etc., a separate BTS and so on?  To get people to use them?
To advertise them without people thinking that I'm a trouble-maker?

Of course, I could offer to join ftpmasters, but I guess I can't be
trusted till I've gone through NM, can I?

I accept it if my suggestions are not accepted in Debian, and I continue
to agree with the philosophy and principles of Debian even if my
suggestion about an open-upload archive won't be met with much
excitement.  But sadly, doing this on my own is not an option for me.
Debian is also not like free software in that many things really have to
be coordinated together.  So treat my proposal as a _very_ humble
suggestion of how we could improve the openness of the project, make it
easier for people to contribute, lift the burden of AM's and sponsors,
and also to take away dangerous rights from DD's that they really don't

> On 25 Apr 2006, Panu Kalliokoski said:
> > I hoped the proposal I was making would allow us to eat the cake and
> > keep it too: offer an open upload area but keep the main archive
> > under strict quality criteria.  I expect it to be easier to check
> > package quality, too, if they're being autobuilt and available for
> > BTS reports _before_ having been uploaded to the main archive.
>         This open area for uploads does not need to be offered by
>  Debian, does it? Anyone who thinks this is a good idea can set up an
>  anon-ftp area and gather random debs.  I seem to recall we already
>  have one such unofficial repository -- but, people can always add
>  more.

If you're talking about www.debian-unofficial.org, that's only for
licensing/political problems, it's only built for 4 archs, it isn't
mentioned in the Debian documentation, consequently it's not known even
to all DD's, and it lacks infrastructure for maintainers.  Debian is
such a big and rich project that you can't just remake it like that.
Debian-unofficial deserves kudos for their effort, though.

> > Not if those people have to be properly identified via their PGP
> > keys.  Such a simple requirement will already cut off the "casual
> > Joes" that only vote once because they saw the announcement
> > somewhere.  It also prevents most ways of abuse.
>         Again, anyone can set up such a voting mechanism. Collect
>  keys, check out devotee, and you are good to go.

... except that the outcomes of the votes won't take effect.  And the
mystic DD aura remains.


personal contact:	panu.kalliokoski@helsinki.fi, +35841 5323835
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