Re: OldWorld ROM Macintoshes
Stan,
Thanks for your reply
On Wed, 2025-09-03 at 12:39 -0600, Stan Johnson wrote:
> Jeroen,
>
> That was a good suggestion, though it did not work with my
> Wallstreet. I
> think it's possible that there is an issue with the kernel and with
> one
> or more Xorg updates, and perhaps that's what is happening with
> Cedar's
> Wallstreet as well.
>
> Cedar,
>
> On my Wallstreet, I have Debian SID and Gentoo installed. X11 was not
> working with the most current update of Gentoo, with either kernel
> 5.18.0 or 6.16.2. Reverting to a Jan 21, 2025 backup, X11 works with
> 5.18.0, but not with 6.16.2.
Just to confirm: you were still able to boot up to text mode only in
6.16, right?
> So I may be able to do a kernel bisect,
> using the Gentoo installation that has X11 working with 5.18.0 as the
> starting point.
>
> In Debian, I've updated to the latest Debian SID, with no X11
> graphics
> working with either 5.18.0 or 6.16.2.
Same question: Just confirming you can still boot just fine into text
mode, just no X11 graphics mode.
In response to your previous emails, I think you are quite correct I
cannot immediately blame solely the kernel version, it appears to just
be a combination of the 6.16 kernel + my configuration, as reverting to
the 6.1.0 kernel allows me to boot.
Or maybe my system is still booting 6.16, but just with no video
output. I still need to set up SSH server or attempt Serial to test
this theory.
> I could revert to a backup from
> 2024, but I think I'll try to use my working Gentoo installation to
> determine whether there is a kernel regression.
>
> My BootX configuration is as follows (for working X11 in 5.18.0):
> Kernel: vmlinux-5.18.0-pmac (custom kernel, no modules)
> Boot Device: /dev/sda13 (Gentoo partition)
> More kernel arguments: video=atyfb:vmode:14,cmode:32,mclk:71
> No video driver: checked
> Options:
> Force SCSI ON: checked
> Force video settings: checked
> Use specified RAM disk: not checked
>
> -Stan
>
> -----
>
> On 9/3/25 2:19 AM, Jeroen Diederen wrote:
> > What I have encountered in recent Debian systems is a library that
> > prevents X to work and leave you with a black screen.
> >
> > What I always do is, boot into recovery mode and issue:
> >
> > mv /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libglamoregl.so
> > /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libglamoregl.so.bak
> >
> > Then resume booting. It might work in your case too.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jeroen
> >
> >
> >
> > Stan Johnson schreef op 2025-09-03 14:34:
> > > On 9/2/25 10:26 PM, Cedar Maxwell wrote:
> > > > Kernel 6.16 causes a black screen. No response to CTRL + ALT +
> > > > F1, F2,
> > > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > Please advise in troubleshooting.
> > > > ...
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't think you can necessarily conclude that the kernel is
> > > causing
> > > a black screen without more information. On your Wallstreet, did
> > > you
> > > replace Debian's 6.1.0-9 kernel that you mentioned earlier with
> > > 6.16,
> > > or did you upgrade all Debian packages ("apt-get dist-upgrade")?
> > >
> > > If you ran a full "apt-get dist-upgrade" then there may some
> > > other
> > > issue causing the black screen. Do you see boot messages as the
> > > kernel
> > > starts to boot? Does the screen go blank at about the time a
> > > window
> > > manager starts? If you disable X11 by not running a window
> > > manager (I
> > > think Debian uses lightdm by default for Xfce), do you get a
> > > login
> > > prompt? Are you able to access the system over the network (ssh
> > > or
> > > telnet) or via a serial port? If yes, does /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> > > contain
> > > any useful information?
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 2025-09-02 at 20:31 -0500, Cedar Maxwell wrote:
> > > > > Good news gentlemen.
> > > > >
> > > > > Last time on OldWorld adventures: I attempted to install
> > > > > several
> > > > > versions of Debian but each attempt rendered the OS 9 install
> > > > > unbootable both in QEMU and on the WallStreet.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, the unbootability on the WallStreet appears to have
> > > > > been
> > > > > caused solely by my shoddy mSATA to IDE adapter. Although
> > > > > the
> > > > > installation didn't boot on QEMU, I tried another adapter
> > > > > (still
> > > > > JM20330 based) and it booted up. Note to QEMU maintainers
> > > > > perhaps
> > > > > lurking on this mailing list: Is this the intended behavior?
> > > > >
> > > > > I attempted to boot into Debian 6.1.0-9 using an image from
> > > > > 2023-05-
> > > > > 08.
> > > > > Mission success! I don't know yet if this because of an
> > > > > older kernel
> > > > > version, or because I omitted the GRUB partition, but I
> > > > > intend to
> > > > > test
> > > > > updating the kernel and reporting back. ...
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